August 23, 2006

In Defence of Denis Coderre

I was at that march for peace which was called (edit: by its detractors, not by its organizers) a “March Against Israel.” I will not lie. There were Hezbollah supporters among the crowd. The mass majority of the Lebanese people were there to demand an immediate end to hostilities which were, at the time, killing their friends and family.

I will re-iterate once again. Hezbollah is a terrorist organization. They need to be disarmed. They need to be condemned for launching rockets into Israel.

Denis Coderre knew some of the crowd was hostile to his message. He knew he was marching for peace, as did Eleni Bakopanos, former candidate and avid Dion supporter. Stephane Dion’s national Youth Co-Chair Melissa Pierre was at the event as well, as was Brigitte Legault. Our common message was that we wanted peace in the Middle East.

Denis Coderre had the BALLS to go in front of that crowd and CONDEMN HEZBOLLAH for attacking Israel. The boos were fierce. My cheering was no competition for the chorus of boos that he received. Denis was there to march for peace, as were we. I refuse to be condemned for exercising my right to protest using cluster bombs in civilian areas. We do not use a cannon to kill a butterfly. My opinion will not change.

Associating the message of peace of that rally to the hatred of a small minority does injustice to the 20 000+ people who were there to stand for peace. Our voices should have been louder that day. It is a crying shame they were not.

While some are after Coderre’s head, I think it is completely unwarranted to do so. The organizers of the protest called for a demonstration for peace and several politicians heeded their call and showed solidarity. To say Denis Coderre is pro-Hezbollah is to completely ignore his bravery in facing that crowd. It is bad spin. It is lies. It is bull shit. So stop it.

16 Commentaires:

Blogger The Hack a dit...

Doesn't it being called "The March Against Israel" serve as a tip that it's not the particular rally to join if your goal is simply peace?

You're right that the whole "So and So is pro-Hezbollah" argument is offbase and ridiculous, however getting up in front of the crowd to be booed does not excuse the foolishness of being there in the first place.

And if you don't think a peace rally could be held without it becoming an anti-Israel event, then maybe, just maybe, that says more about the nature of the conflict than anything else.

8/23/2006 1:56 a.m.  
Blogger Fady a dit...

I think people who want to learn about "the nature of the conflict" and see where the anger comes from can start by visiting both Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch.

Gives you a good overview--but compares Israel with Hezbollah--which is oops...a terrorist organization.

8/23/2006 2:44 a.m.  
Blogger Alex Plante a dit...

The Hack,

The March wasn't called "March against Israel". Denis Coderre would never have attended a March against Israel.

There is no foolishness in going down in the street for a cease-fire.

A few extremists were there but that doesn't mean that the whole 15 000 people were all extremists. That's just spin to down Denis Coderre.

Alex

8/23/2006 9:27 a.m.  
Blogger Zac a dit...

I was unaware that Coderre actually faced the crowd. I suppose that that detail was left out of media reports.

8/23/2006 10:15 a.m.  
Blogger s.b. a dit...

"MArch against Israel" is a message of Hate. He should not have been at a march entitled that, and it is not surprising that it was organized and attended by Hezbollah supporters. It was not called "March for Peace in the Middle East" He should be disciplined for being there and if he weren't anti-Israel he would not have been there in the first place.

Canada supports Israels right to exist. This march obviously did not. If you can't see that as anti-semetism then you have a problem antonio. How about him attending a really entitled, "March Against Same Sex Marriage." Would that be ok with you? Would that be homophobic?

Better yet how about a march called, "March against homosexuals". Just think about it for a minute Antonio. There is really no difference.

8/23/2006 10:21 a.m.  
Blogger grit heart a dit...

Coderre should not have been there. Pablo made the wise choice not to go.

Coderre very much regrets having gone and he will tell people that.

Good for him. Those Young Liberals in Quebec he also participated should follow Coderre's lead and recognize that they should not have been there.

8/23/2006 11:43 a.m.  
Blogger grit heart a dit...

Fady:

There is no comparisson between Israel and Hizbollah. You are attempting to lower the discourse.

Stay away!

8/23/2006 11:44 a.m.  
Blogger Antonio a dit...

Grit Heart I did not know you were Denis's official spokesperson

8/23/2006 12:02 p.m.  
Blogger imacynic a dit...

Why do Jews use the word anti-semetic in a way that would make one believe that some Jews are not anti-semetic themselves?

Here are some quotes from some Jews in Israel about their opinions of Arabs (also semites)

Here is Rabbi David Bazri's words, in full, which I quoted above for the
hypothetical antisemitism, "The establishment of such a school is a
foul, disgraceful deed. You can't mix pure and foul. They are a
disease, a disaster, a devil. The Arabs are asses, and the question
must be asked, why did God did not create them walking on their fours?
The answer is that they need to build and wash. They have no place in
our school".

RABBI DOV LIOR
CHIEF RABBI AT KIRYAT ARBA
"In the course of battle the IDF is allowed to hurt an ostensibly innocent civilian population."
He also maintains that "there is no reason to feel guilty because of the morality of infidels."
JPost.com Staff, The Jerusalem Post, May 24, 2004.





CHAIM WALDMAN
"When I go out in my car, I'm hunting for Arabs. I put a bullet in the chamber of my M-16 and keep it
pointed out the window with the safety off."

"There is a Jewish intifadeh now, and it can't be stopped. We're headed for war."

"After an Arab attack, we send out an alert, jump into our cars and head for the area. Then we destroy
and burn."

"Arabs have good reason to fear me."
Jon D. Hull, “Middle East Fighting Fire with Fire: Tired of stones, Israeli settlers launch their own revolt on
the West Bank,” TIME Magazine, June 26, 1989


DAVID WILDER
BEIT HADASSAH SETTLEMENT
"Take all the Arabs and remove them."
Keith B. Richburg, “In Hebron, History and Hate Divide Neighbors; 2 Men a Microcosm Of Mideast Conflict,”
The Washington Post, 10/16/2000


AVISHAI RAVIV
KIRYAT ARBA
"I came here to identify with the man. I am not sorry that Arabs died, I think many more should die."
HERB KEINON, “300 attend service for Baruch Goldstein,” Jerusalem Post, 2/17/1995

SHMUEL BEN YISHAI
[through interpreter] There are certain conditions, according to Jewish law, under which non-Jews may live
here. This doesn't apply to the Arabs. They don't fit the category. They have to get the hell out. Whoever
leaves under his own steam will save his own life. Whoever doesn't, will have to pay the price. This is the
land of Israel.


NOAM FEDERMAN
AVRAHAM AVINU SETTLEMENT
[through interpreter] “Revenge is an important value. The Talmud says that it is one of the greatest things.
Revenge is great.”

“We basically explain the Arab problem as Rabbi Kahane saw it… We say this country should be a Jewish
country, with all of the far-reaching implications.”


Sticker on the wall of Baruch Marzel’s office in the Tel Rumeida settlement
“I already killed an Arab. And you?”

RABBI SHIMON, teaches the Torah at the Seminary in Hebron
After shooting live bullets with a few other settlers into a crowd of Palestinians-some of whom were
throwing stones-injuring three Palestinians
“Unfortunately, the army is taking us to court instead of giving us medals and appreciation.”

7 settler boys, ages 8-11, sang the following song in a van on their way to school
“All the world hates the Arabs
And the main thing is to kill them one by one”
…With these feet I stepped on my enemy
With these teeth I bit his skin
With these lips I sucked his blood
And I still haven’t had enough revenge”

HEMI, a blonde settler boy about 12-14 years old
“He [Baruch Goldstein] did a good thing. It’s just a pity they murdered him. They’re not just Arabs, they’re
murderers.”
Peled: Tell me, Hemi, if you had been around that morning and you’d seen Baruch Goldstein about to do
it, would you have tried to stop him?
“No, I’d have tried to help him if I could.”


You can find thousands of these quotes on the internet.

Are Jews in this country ignorant of what Jews in Israel are saying?

8/23/2006 1:43 p.m.  
Blogger Loraine Lamontagne a dit...

Be it called March Against Israel or March for Peace, when it comes to the politics of that region smart politicians should be very careful. Remember the UN Conference Against Racism in Durban? Turned out to be the most racist public event imagineable...

8/23/2006 4:04 p.m.  
Blogger Concerned YL a dit...

Iggy or Rae will most certainly bring an end to all of this mess within the Party.

8/23/2006 5:45 p.m.  
Blogger grit heart a dit...

imacynic:

What you do not state is the majority of the people (Including Rabbi Dov Lior and Chaim Waldman)you have been imprisoned in Israel for Hate.

Israel takes care of extremists. Banning them (Kahane Chai) from running in elections and throwing hate mongers in jail.

Hate from Hamasa and Hizbollah, not to mention Iran is not only tolerated but encouraged and revered.

8/23/2006 9:32 p.m.  
Blogger s.b. a dit...

Thank-you Grit Heart. I was going to say the same thing. Of course there are hate filled Jews. There are hate filled Christians. The difference is how they are treated in the societies and countries where they live. They are breaking the law and imprisonned in Israel. They are breaking the law and are imprisonned in the U.S. or Canada. Unfortunately in Palestine and Lebanon and Iran, not only are they not imprisonned, they are encouraged.

There is a difference. Very very few Jews would support these comments and the vast majority are disgusted by them. These people are radical fringe elements within Judeism. When was the last time a radical hate filled Iman was imprissoned by his own country in the Middle East for spewing hatred?

8/24/2006 8:09 a.m.  
Blogger Concerned YL a dit...

A quote from Warren Kinsella:

"Blogs are occasionally fun, but blogs can be dangerous, too."

All bloggers take note of that. Recent blogs have had their purposes, some meaningful and some not; however, all have hurt the Party in some way. In fact, they may have helped seal victory for Harper in the next election.

Please, keep up the creative blogging and debating the issues, but let's try to focus some of that energy to take aim at our real political enemy: Stephen Harper.

Remember, a Party renewal is supposed to be healthy. If we have constructive criticism for each other, let's keep it in house and work on it. Let's not give in the temptation to score "blog hits" and the spotlight by posting bad things on our blogs.

8/24/2006 1:53 p.m.  
Blogger s.b. a dit...

YL it's not kindergarden. It's politics. It is not your right to tell people what they should and should not do. Quoting Warren Kinsella to demonstrate your point about everyone playing nice proves you know little of what you speak.

8/24/2006 5:26 p.m.  
Blogger Concerned YL a dit...

s.b. -- the point was not to come down on blogs. Blogs are great and they are a powerful tool. Liberal bloggers have done a great job debating the people and issues and they should continue to do so. But my point was that every now and again (hopefully more frequently) it wold be nice to see our talented Liberal bloggers digging up dirt and going after Harper!

8/24/2006 7:20 p.m.  

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