August 25, 2006

Hopefully, the Crusade is Over

Let us survey the damage…This week led by Warren Kinsella, many of the pro-Israeli military crowd took it upon themselves to evict any anti-semitism from the Liberal Party. It all started here on Fuddle Duddle. I read Thomas Hubert’s comment. I didn’t remove it because I do not remove any comments (unless it is spam). In Canada we may disagree with people’s opinions freely and besides, I told him myself the comment was dumb.

I had truly forgotten Thomas’ position on the YLCBC exec. Otherwise, I would have convinced him to remove it as it was not the opinion of the YLCBC what he was saying. The boy is 17. I have since explained to him what was wrong with what he said. He agrees it is inflammatory and based mostly on rhetoric, and bad rhetoric at that. At 17, nobody deserves to be dragged over the coals. The crusaders did not blink.

Then there is Borys. I also feel bad for Borys. He was simply misunderstood. Rumour had it one of Bob Rae’s senior Ontario people was with Borys (I wonder if John Mraz watched Borys light himself on political fire?)…man if there was ever a time to not be misquoted, it was when the Crusaders had their verbal swords drawn and ready. Either way, Borys wanted Hezbollah off the list. Now, rather than saying Borys should quit because he supports a different view than the official Liberal position and his responsibilities as a critic dictate otherwise, we tore him to shreds.

I still believe Hezbollah is a terrorist organization. However, I also believe the IRA is a terrorist organization. Yet, the United States and the British both worked out a deal with Sinn Fein, a branch of the IRA. They negotiated with a terrorist organization then…is the Good Friday Peace Agreement illegitimate?

Also, the leading country in the International Force, Italy, does not support the view that Hezbollah is a terrorist organization. Neither does the UN, who negotiated directly with Hezbollah to craft the peace agreement. I always believed Canada should support whatever the UN does. I think Jean Chretien made that pretty clear. In terms of our list at home, it basically means anybody deemed to be funding this organization or aiding them will immediately have their assets frozen and/or seized. I agree with that, keep Hezbollah on the list. We don’t want Canadian money sent over there to blow shit up. As for never negotiating with them…Borys, Canada never negotiates with Hezbollah or Lebanon or Israel anyway, let the UN do it. Your idea was slightly misplaced.

To quote Mr. Kinsella, well his grandma, "Once you've decided to clean out one toilet," said she, "you may as well clean out all the toilets." I could not agree more. No use in getting our hands dirty twice. We got rid of discrimination against Jews, now lets work on other discrimination. I emailed Warren Kinsella Shoshanna Berman’s comments toward my Italian Heritage, saying she deserved just as much to be forced to resign for what she said…no response…but I don’t worry, he must have been on the other crusade at the time…Come on Warren, time to do what you say.

Then there is Jason Cherniak. The E-Crusader! When brought a cause different than the Zionist one, the zeal tended to fade a little. While admitting being against civil marriage for gays was discriminatory, when asked if this form of discrimination warranted the same consequence as discrimination against Jews, immediate resignation from the party, offered this response: "While I might argue in five years that people who oppose same sex marriage don't belong in the Party at all, we are not yet at that stage." If that was not enough, he offered more. "We all need to recognize that the right to same sex marriage is a very new concept. We need to give people time to get used to it."

In a recent email conversation with a journalist who reads my blog, we discussed the 5-year statue of limitations on discrimination against homosexuals. Her exact comments were “I hope Jason never runs for Parliament.” Double standards are what discrimination is all about Jason.

I call on Warren Kinsella and Jason Cherniak to turn their crusade against discrimination to all discrimination including those who discriminate against Italians like Shoshanna Berman and to those who discriminate against homosexuals like 32 Liberal MPs and a certain riding association president from Ontario who believes we should only deal with discrimination in 5 years. Apologies will suffice. I do not believe we should run anyone out of the party. I think that has gone on long enough in this party.

23 Commentaires:

Blogger Peter Loewen a dit...

Antonio:

The terrorist list does not prevent governments from negotiating with Hezbollah. What it prevents is fundraising and other activities related to the promotion of the group occurring in Canada.

Either Borys was ignorant and didn't know this - and thus probably had no business being in Lebanon if he can't grasp that - or he was convinced that because Hezbollah's pulls the odd tooth in addition to killing Israeli civilians and seeking a fundamentalist state that they should be allowed to go about their business in Canada. Either way, he made a major gaffe and his resignation was the right move. Now the witch hunt should move on. He's done his time.

As for the IRA, it remains illegal to send them money.

8/25/2006 2:40 p.m.  
Blogger James Bowie a dit...

Right on Antonio. High profile Canadian Generals are sent to negotiate with the IRA to help find peace in Ireland.

But I think we do need a way to get rid of politicians. In general, quoting their dumb statements and spreading them on the Internet seems to be effective.

8/25/2006 3:18 p.m.  
Blogger Jay a dit...

Sinn Fein leader Gerry adams was trolling for donations here in downtown Toronto last St. Patricks Day, so it appears if you divide up your party into wings you can still get donations for some aspects (kinda like dividing your grocery store in Nova Scotia to duck the sunday ban). Maybe Hizbollah should just change everything other than military to new names.

8/25/2006 3:52 p.m.  
Blogger Peter Loewen a dit...

James, do you think that the IRA should be able to raise money in Canada?

8/25/2006 3:59 p.m.  
Blogger Anthony a dit...

Haha peter,

I made that exact point in my post.

I said Borys should have known beter for that reason

8/25/2006 4:25 p.m.  
Blogger andrewridgeley a dit...

We can, however, hope that you run for a seat one day.

This post was spot on.

8/25/2006 4:35 p.m.  
Blogger mbari hogun a dit...

Not to be pedantic, but the IRA didn't sign up to the Good Friday Agreement. It was taken for granted that Sinn Fein's participation would ensure an ongoing PIRA ceasefire.

As far as the IRA goes, I don't think they're a terrorist group on the same level as Hezbollah. While there were inevitably mistakes and atrocities in their latest campaign, nothing the Provos did matches Hezbollah's no-warning bombings targetting Argentina's Jewish community in the early 90s.

8/25/2006 6:50 p.m.  
Blogger KC a dit...

Good post Antonio.

8/25/2006 7:15 p.m.  
Blogger S.K. a dit...

Antonio, you've done enough damage to the Liberal Party. Shut up already about how great Hezbollah is. You are wrong. Very Wrong.

8/25/2006 7:50 p.m.  
Blogger S.K. a dit...

Antonio asking you to examine your own heritage and Italy's history is not discrimination. Your comment is Liable and there is no incident or proof whatsoever that I have ever discriminated against Italians. Remove the accusation or I will speak to The Liberal Youth wing in Quebec and consider sueing you. But that's right this blog was already disaccociated from the Quebec youth wing for its liableous comments before. Perhaps I'll wait until you own something or have insurance to sue you. You just proven what an ignoramous you are Antonio.

8/25/2006 7:55 p.m.  
Blogger Anthony a dit...

Ask Thomas Hubert if he feels run out of the party grit heart.

As for Boryx, I said they tore him to shreds, haha which they did.

Shoshana, you implied my family sent jews to concentration camps. It is extremely offensive and in my opinion, you do have to resign. Sue me if you want to...you will lose.

8/26/2006 1:37 a.m.  
Blogger S.K. a dit...

Antonio that has nothing to do with discrimination against Italians so I assure you I would win. Watch what you say young man. You are way out of line and showing your ignornace more all the time. Your favorite MP's have been castigated in Vancouver and are coming home with their tails between their legs.

P.S. The crusades were about openning up spice routes to Asia. The Jews negotiated and traded between the Christians and the Muslims because they liked to slaughter each other so much. Try knowing something before you talk about it.

8/26/2006 8:48 a.m.  
Blogger Sinestra a dit...

Fuddle Duddle: the ultimate source for Grit Gossip. I hope Grit Heart and the others who are spreading private Liberal information will enjoy the next 5 years of CPC rule. Hence my suggestion to change the subject. You may think you're 'spanking' Antonio and the other Iggsters, but in reality you're damaging our Party and hurting all the candidates.

8/26/2006 11:03 a.m.  
Blogger S.K. a dit...

As long as Antonio and other liberal youth keep spewing support for Hezbollah, it is our responsibility to let them know it is unacceptable.

8/26/2006 12:06 p.m.  
Blogger Alex Plante a dit...

Antonio never supported Hezbollah. In each and every post, he denounces the violence of Hezbollah.

You have two options :
1) Be honest and stop saying Antonio supports Hezbollah.
2) Sign up for reading lessons (or actually read Antonio before making false accusations)

8/26/2006 12:47 p.m.  
Blogger Alex Plante a dit...

Oh and before you call me a Hezbollah supporter, I with to make everyone know that obviously I denounce killing of Israeli civilians by Hezbollah.

I also denounce the use of cluster bombs by IDF on civilian populations.

Alex

8/26/2006 12:50 p.m.  
Blogger S.K. a dit...

Alex I am not the only one who feels that Libertal Youth have been naive and out of line with their comments about Israel and Hezbollah. You both, as well as Brigitte, need to think a little harder before you do and say things.

8/26/2006 1:09 p.m.  
Blogger Alex Plante a dit...

Brigitte didn't SAY or DO anything wrong. Tell me what she did or said. Quote her.

You couldn't even recognize Brigitte if she walked by you on the street...

Alex

8/26/2006 3:39 p.m.  
Blogger g.k. a dit...

S.B is a perfect example of double standards.

Criticizing the state of Israel including the use of cluster bombs in heavily civilian areas - Anti-Semitic and Pro-Hezbollah

Insulting other people about their heritage and falsely accusing any Italian that their grandparents were fascist annihilating jews- Perfect legitimate argument

"Hi, my name is SB and my vocabulary is limited to Anti-Semitic Anti-Semitic Anti-Semitic Anti-Semitic Anti-Semitic Anti-Semitic Anti-Semitic Anti-Semitic Anti-Semitic Anti-Semitic Anti-Semitic Anti-Semitic Anti-Semitic Anti-Semitic Anti-Semitic Anti-Semitic Anti-Semitic Anti-Semitic Anti-Semitic Anti-Semitic !"

8/26/2006 11:12 p.m.  
Blogger Alex Plante a dit...

Gritheart,

Brigitte is a close friend of mine and I have talked to her and you are making up a big story Grit Heart.

Contact me via e-mail, I will give you Brigitte's phone number, you could at least talk to her before spreading lies about her.

Are you willing to reveal your identity or are you too much of a coward ? You just want to continue to spread lies anonimously.

And BTW, Cotler signed her endorsement papers !

For your second comment, could you please provide me with a UN official that approves the use of cluster bombs on civilian populations ? Louise Arbour talked about war crimes committed by both IDF and Hezbollah.

Alex

8/27/2006 11:24 a.m.  
Blogger Anthony a dit...

Grit Heart

You are making up lies faster than you can type

If you are going to smear Brigitte Legault, as least identify yourself.

stop being a coward

8/27/2006 1:36 p.m.  
Blogger Alex Plante a dit...

Antonio never talked about Brigitte's salary with Belinda. Try to find a quote from him on that. Once again Grit Heart is LYING.

Brigitte didn't participate to a march against Israel.

I had received an invitation for that march and I'll let you read it.

Une manifestation aura lieu à Montréal ce dimanche 6 août à 13 h pour la
justice et la paix au Liban. Je vous invite vivement à y participer afin de
faire entendre nos voix.


It doesn't talk anywhere about either Israel or Hezbollah. So please stop spreading lies and have the guts to reveal your identity. Are you a coward ?

Alex

8/27/2006 2:20 p.m.  
Blogger Anthony a dit...

hahaha

I never said Brigitte did not go

I was there with her. You call me destructive yet I never said anything about brigitte or her salary. I always said she never got anything, privately and publicly. But you can go ahead and keep on lying grit heart.

Here is the truth

Brigitte, myself, Melissa Pierre, Mokhtar Boushaba, and 20 000 other people participated in a march for peace calling on Israel and hezbollah to end all hostilities. The Liberal who spoke at the event was Denis Coderre, MP for Bourassa. He condemned Hezbollah as a terrorist organization. I could not have been more proud of Denis Coderre that day.

Being against Israeli military policy does NOT make me biased against Israel. I have studied the history of the region extensively and I have formed my own opinion.

We disassociated the blog because we did not want our writings about the race to be attached to the Youth Wing of the Party. Marc, Denise, Alex, and I chose to remove the association after my critique of Ms. Stronach's French started a slew of anonymous smears against Brigitte, myself, and many others.

So Grit Heart, there is the truth. Ask anyone to confirm it for you. Brigitte, Alex, anyone will tell you that is the story...not the twisted lies you invent to justify the hilarity of some of your statements.

Stop being a coward, we already know you are on the Brison campaign, it will not take long before we find out who you are and I am sure they will not take it lightly that you are smearing Brigitte.

8/27/2006 2:31 p.m.  

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