November 14, 2006

Will Tories Really Care Who Ben Mulroney Supports?

Discuss!

32 Commentaires:

Blogger Dan McKenzie a dit...

Please don't make this comparison. You'll come out of this looking like David Peterson.

11/14/2006 9:56 a.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous a dit...

People will actually care. Look at the media coverage this has gotten plus how much it it seems to have pissed you off.

Yeah, people care. You did.

11/14/2006 10:09 a.m.  
Blogger WestmountLiberal a dit...

People care.
Justin is the future of our Party.
I wish the same could be said for other Young-er Liberals.

11/14/2006 10:37 a.m.  
Blogger anna yanuk a dit...

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11/14/2006 11:09 a.m.  
Blogger propatria a dit...

So your going to counter personal attacks with....personal attacks.

11/14/2006 11:14 a.m.  
Blogger Sinestra a dit...

The CPC don't deserve the term 'Tory'. Let's not dignify them that way.

11/14/2006 11:20 a.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous a dit...

People will care a bit (I think). Whether or not they should is another question. Either way I'm happy to see he likes my candidate and isn't a big fan of yours. Has Ben Mulroney ever even mused about anything political?

11/14/2006 12:20 p.m.  
Blogger Antonio a dit...

Ben Mulroney is already an Ambassador.

How am I attacking Justin Trudeau? How is this a personal attack?

I have answered the tough questions. But that does not stop you guys from continuing your character assissination.

11/14/2006 12:44 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous a dit...

An ambassador? An ambassador to whom? CTV?

11/14/2006 12:56 p.m.  
Blogger propatria a dit...

Just to clarify my above comment was for the comment above mine.

11/14/2006 12:58 p.m.  
Blogger Dan McKenzie a dit...

Ambassador to UNICEF or something Kyle. But Ben Mulroney really doesn't hold a candle to Justin Trudeau.

And just a random hypothetical.

Kennedy with Quebec lieutenants Dion and Trudeau.

vs.

Ignatieff with Quebec lieutenant Coderre.

11/14/2006 1:26 p.m.  
Blogger canuckistanian a dit...

i was never a big fan of justin trudeau, but have gained enormous respect for him recently. never thought he was a great public speaker, but seeing him in french on rdi really changed my opinion. haven't seen such a good french public speaker in a long time.

obviously many people care about his opinion. note the vitriol of david peterson...what an asshole...certainly jtrudeau has a better handle on constituional issues than iggy...so does anyone who has been in canada in the past 3 decades.

i am looking forward to justin running for a seat in parliament. he is definately someone to watch.

how are you attacking justin trudeau, you ask. by implying that nobody should care about his opinion, just like david peterson. certainly we should care about his opinion alot more than the bloggers at fuddle duddle. and no antonio, i have read every post here for the past month or more, and you have NEVER answered the tough questions.

11/14/2006 2:51 p.m.  
Blogger Gavin Neil a dit...

Yes, please, Ambassador to whom?

G

11/14/2006 3:28 p.m.  
Blogger big gay al's big gay liberal sanctuary a dit...

antonio and alex

although i believe you think your hearts are in the right place, you have to put country before political party, not the other way around.

if you focused more on the good of the country, your energy would be put to much better use.

all candidates are flawed, including the one you are supporting. no one is perfect... if someone were, the end of the world would be coming shortly after.

your candidate has some good points, but also flaws. recognizing that all the candidates, including yours, are not messiahs, is the best way for this country to move fwd. otherwise, alienation and division is created.

nothing has been learnt from the chretien-martin years of all the fighting. the same thing is happening now. please learn from it.

11/14/2006 4:00 p.m.  
Blogger Antonio a dit...

I have said nothing negative about Justin Trudeau.

Justin is a great public speaker. He was off on nationalism, only because he failed to distinguish the difference between civic and ethnic nationalism. Even Pierre knew the difference.

I am surprised at the lack of respect for Ben Mulroney, Ambassador to Unicef, yes, its true.

Justin is an intelligent guy, not as much as his brother, whose work, while intriguing, is brilliant nonetheless.

Lieutenant Justin Trudeau though? Let me grab an advil, or two, or six.

11/15/2006 12:54 a.m.  
Blogger Alex Plante a dit...

Kennedy as leader and Dion as Leutenant. Are we aiming for more than five seats in Quebec ???

Denis Coderre is far more popular than Dion who couldn't finish first among die-hard federalists in Quebec at super week-end.

Dan McKenzie is obviously not in Quebec.

11/15/2006 1:24 a.m.  
Blogger propatria a dit...

I have much more faith in dion keeping the country united than coderre. Agreeing with separatists on fictitious notions of the province of quebec belonging to the "quebec nation" is plain wrong. The province of quebec belongs to all canadians equally.

11/15/2006 2:22 a.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous a dit...

Five more seats in Quebec would be more than Denis Coderre acheived in Quebec in the last election as Quebec Lieutenant Alex.

To be honest, you saying Coderre/Iggy could get 20 more seats in Quebec (a guess at your projection) is like saying Kennedy could get 5 seats in Alberta. It ain't gonna happen.

What matters for forming a government is the swing seats in Ontario.

We liberals just aren't going to find our electoral Xanadu in Quebec for awhile now.

11/15/2006 2:24 a.m.  
Blogger propatria a dit...

How many seats did we win in quebec again with dion keeping a hard line on the separatists? Before lapiere came in and bent over for them?

11/15/2006 2:44 a.m.  
Blogger Antonio a dit...

Bloc totals were almost as low last election as they were in 2000. The only fdifference is the Tories didn't have a party...so you can add the totals together in some places.

Unite the right benefitted the Bloc almost as much as it benefittedthe Tories

11/15/2006 8:25 a.m.  
Blogger WestmountLiberal a dit...

Denis Coderre was named in the Gomery report for extended stays at advertising executive Claude Boulay's summer residence.

Coderre has about as much credibility in Quebec as anyone else implicated in the mess.

11/15/2006 9:11 a.m.  
Blogger WestmountLiberal a dit...

More on the "popularity" of Denis
Coderre in Quebec:

Coderre ran unsuccessfully three times prior to being elected: first, in the 1988 elections in the riding of Joliette, losing to the Progressive Conservative Party candidate, Gaby Larrivée; second, in a 1990 by-election in the riding of Laurier—Sainte-Marie, losing to Gilles Duceppe; and third, in the 1993 elections in the riding of Bourassa, defeated by the Bloc Québécois candidate, Osvaldo Nuñez.

This is too easy!

11/15/2006 9:14 a.m.  
Blogger Manitoba Liberal a dit...

Do Alex and Antonio make a habbit of supporting lame, and in teh case of Coderee criminally corupt politicans?

Between all the love on this blog for Frulla, Iggy and Coderee, it's pretty easy to see why the Liberal Party in Quebec is in such shambles.

11/15/2006 10:06 a.m.  
Blogger Antonio a dit...

Firstly,

Coderre was cleared in the report. Can we stop smearing people in our own party? People are getting desperate in this race. As a party, we put our faith in what Judge Gomery found, and in the case of Coderre, he cleared him.

As for Mr. uhm Senator Burnett, I will set up a meeting for you and Mr. Coderre and you can tell him all that to his face.

11/15/2006 12:20 p.m.  
Blogger Antonio a dit...

oh and it wasnt Coderre who stayed in the summer residence, but Don Boudria, who is Dion's national campaign chair. Well oops, we all make mistakes John.

11/15/2006 12:22 p.m.  
Blogger propatria a dit...

Good point. Lapierre didnt decrease the federalist vote in so much as he moved it to the conservatives.

11/15/2006 2:34 p.m.  
Blogger WestmountLiberal a dit...

Antonio
Re-read what I said.

Coderre was NAMED in Gomery. No where did I mention whether he was innocent or guilty.

My point is that Coderre is associated with the sponsorship scandal.

We Liberals in Quebec should be looking forward and away from those implicated in this mess. Your support of Iggy is a great example of this.

FYI - Coderre had extended stays at Groupe Everest advertising executive Claude Boulay's summer residence. They are longtime friends. I actually have a wonderful picture of them together - I'll send you a copy and cc Claude to his retirement home in Florida.

ps> for those who don't know M. Boulay - Groupe Everest handled $2.4 million in national-unity projects in 1995 and 1996 under the national-unity reserve, the predecessor to the sponsorship program. Among the contracts was an advertising campaign related to Canada Day festivities in Ottawa that featured, among other things, a $300 bill to taxpayers for the delivery of seven cakes.

11/15/2006 3:08 p.m.  
Blogger canuckistanian a dit...

antonio:
you're right, you didn't say anything negative about jtrudeau. you didn't have to, it was implied. jtrudeau was not wrong on nationalism, he criticized the idea of ethnic nationalism that is the elephant in the room...the one that alex plante seems intent on entrenching.

"Dan Mackenzie is obviously not in Quebec"

"Angry anglos"

"Lysiane Gagnon lives in Vancouver"

the implications of your statements are transparently clear. only a pur laine can have an opinion on quebec.

history has shown time and time again that soft nationalists cannot deliver seats in quebec. we ignore history and pander to them at our peril.

11/15/2006 4:12 p.m.  
Blogger DivaRachel a dit...

Ben Friggin' Mulroney and his fat chin can go to hell!!!!!

11/15/2006 4:44 p.m.  
Blogger anna yanuk a dit...

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11/15/2006 5:13 p.m.  
Blogger Antonio a dit...

John? No response about Don Boudria eh? I figured. Typical dodge from Westmount Liberal.

Nothing Ignatieff has said wants to entrench ethnic nationalism. All the guy has wriiten about for years is championing civic nationalism. It is one of the main reasons I am supporting him.

11/16/2006 8:31 a.m.  
Blogger canuckistanian a dit...

quebec nationalism is NOT civic.

11/17/2006 3:37 p.m.  

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