February 3, 2007

Trudeau to run in a Contested Montreal Riding

All Justin...all the time...

It is going to happen. The electoral commission is pondering where they will run Justin Trudeau. If he wants to sit in parliament, he will have to defeat a Bloc MP, but where will we run him?

The consensus is Papineau, a heavily ethnic riding where the Bloc turned Pierre Pettigrew into a loser. Among ethnic communities, the name Trudeau is still the equivalent to electoral gold.

Adding another plot twist is the rumor that the original “dog” Elsie Lefebvre, surprise PQ winner in Laurier Dorion, will run for the Bloc in Papineau. Elsie has a cult like following in the PQ (18 interns last time I checked) but will be hard pressed to re-take the riding. However, with the francophone Villeray in Papineau, this one will be a barnburner.

How long before Justin calls the nationalists in his riding 19th century? Or denies Quebec’s status as a nation within Canada? I will keep my eye on this one. It will be the race of the election if it pans out…

26 Commentaires:

Blogger UWHabs a dit...

JT could probably do that and still win just about any riding in Quebec.

2/03/2007 2:36 p.m.  
Blogger big gay al's big gay liberal sanctuary a dit...

hmmmm, somehow i highly doubt that.

i think jason cherniak would have better luck running in saguenay-lac-st.jean then justin trudeau

2/03/2007 2:48 p.m.  
Blogger Alex Plante a dit...

uwhabs,

Have you ever been to Quebec ? Justin should run in Vancouver. He should defeat a dipper. Papineau should be kept for someone hardworking, you can't run on your name there. You need to be close to people. Justin Trudeau can't connect with average people.

Justin can win in a few ridings : Westmount, NDG-Lachine, Saint-Leonard, Lac-St-Louis and Mount Royal. Unfortunately for JT, those ridings have sitting MPs that want to stay in their jobs.

I was talking to a former high school teacher yesterday. That teacher had brought some of us, her students, to the grave of Pierre Trudeau just after he died on a Saturday morning. She started talking about Justin Trudeau and said that she can't stand him. I won't repeat what she said but it was not very positive for JT. Even the most Trudeauites in this province don't like him.

Alex

2/03/2007 4:20 p.m.  
Blogger carlos a dit...

HI
I'm from the riding of Papineau and Justin Trudeau could very well win the seat back. Last time, Pettigrew lost because all the bad press that he got in the media (mainly TVA)and also because all of he's electoral signs were torn away two weeks before the election by BQ supporters and members of la société saint-jean baptiste. Has to Elsie Lefebvre.she won because Charest didnt got out the votes and also because the greek community didnt like that Christos Sirros left parliament because Charest didnt gave him a cabinet position

2/03/2007 5:37 p.m.  
Blogger Down & Out in L A a dit...

A seat that was closely lost the last time would be ideal.

For some reason I don't understand, the guy has tremendous appeal to women.

2/03/2007 9:35 p.m.  
Blogger andrewridgeley a dit...

Do you seriously think Gilles would let Elsie take the nomination from Barbot? Vivian is the kind of candidate the BQ wants on their ticket to start bringing onside the very immigrant communities you speak of. And does André want a pretty, articulate young woman who is an ardent defender of social justice and won a riding that had been Liberal for two decades out of his caucus? It would make for high drama, but I don't think it would work for either sovereigntist party.


Non sequitur: As much as people dump on Pettigrew, he's a good, funny guy. I ran into him in MTL and asked him what the deal was with any future political ambitions. His response (paraphrased): 'Nah, I'm making way too much fucking money in the private sector.'

2/04/2007 6:17 a.m.  
Blogger Down & Out in L A a dit...

What do you all think of this story ?

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=deae7bad-7465-4400-a76b-3275ab50d7dc

2/04/2007 10:24 a.m.  
Blogger s.b. a dit...

If he can win us a riding fine. If I were in the riding, I would personally nominate someone who represented me, like oh say a working class immigrant or a working class quebequois woman. A priviledged white male with his daddy's name wouldn't get my vote. But hey, go for it Justin. As long as he understands he's the puppet not the puppet master. And he had better have to win the nomination as well.

2/04/2007 12:45 p.m.  
Blogger Lt Smash a dit...

Excerpt from "The Unbearable Lightness of Neo-Trudeaumania" by L.T. Smash: http://jonathanhubble.blogspot.com/2006/12/on-unbearable-lightness-of-neo.html

"I thought I might be the only one reacting allergically to the treatment Justin Trudeau suffers in the media and the public. No, after some discussion, I am not alone. So here I explain our sentiments. This has virtually nothing to do with Justin Trudeau. This has everything to do with the psychotic emotional attachment that many Canadians and media have to the biological remnants of Pierre Trudeau's legacy. This has nothing to do with Pierre Trudeau, who was an entirely rational and admirable human being. This has everything to do with the irrationality of hero-worshipping of Justin Trudeau, a man who has inherited presumably much of his father's wealth and little of his intellectual credentials.

In Americans, hero-worshipping is cute and adorable. When they elect dynasties, I find it amusing. When they choose sons to replace fathers, and wives to replace husbands, I smile at the aristocratic logic of it all. In my own country, I am alarmed at the apparition of the Kennedy-cult. Why? Because merit is very rarely genetic, and it normally is not transferred via conjugal relationships. I judge a man on his deeds. I hope to be judged on my deeds, and not my parentage (this levels the playing field, since not all of you had the chance to have the best parents in the world as I did). The reason I feel pity for Justin Trudeau, in his un-earned fame and star appeal, is that he will likely be convinced that his star-power is merit in, and of, itself."

2/04/2007 12:48 p.m.  
Blogger Down & Out in L A a dit...

And the other dilemna that Justin Trudeau will face is that the odds are stacked against him.

Inevitably, people will expect the same greatness of him that they came to know from his father.

If he is not genetically blessed with the same traits, he will be seen to be a failure.

He is better off being perceived to be a success than entering the political waters and proving to everyone that he is not.

2/04/2007 1:09 p.m.  
Blogger s.b. a dit...

I would actually argue that wives are much more qualified to follow in their husbands footsteps. God forbid not Margaret Turdeau, as she did not help him get there nor was responsible for his sucvcess in any way. I am referring to Hillary Clinton. There is absolutely no way that Bill Clinton would have been Govenor of Arkansas or President without her. She is behind much of his success and has the intelect and political savy to go with it.

"Behind every great man there is a great woman", is not a saying for nothing! As far as inheritance is concerned, it is often the mother who makes the greatness of the son, also a la Clinton, but rarely the father. This is because men can often realize the potential denied to womenin their family due to their gender. Son's of priviledge are often a disappointment. Paul Martin as liberal leader, case in point. George Bush even more so, going further back President John Adams, Jr., a grand disappointment, John F. Kennedy Jr. who couldn't even run a magasine, and oh last but not least, Ben Mulrouney! Need I say more.

The Trudeau fantasy hyped by the media to sell papers needs to stop. Hopefully rational Liberals will put an end to it. And yes I fully believe Justin will be a disappointment. I'm sure he's a nice fellow, but he could never be anything else. He's not his father.

2/04/2007 1:35 p.m.  
Blogger s.b. a dit...

As far as his looks, who fucking cares? Morons! It doesn't belong in politics. His father wasn't even that good looking. It was his charm, wit and intelect that made him uber sexy. Justin is not sexy!

2/04/2007 1:39 p.m.  
Blogger s.b. a dit...

It is actually genetically predetermined that sons are more like their mothers and only daughters can be more like their father's, as the Y chromosome codes for nothing but testosterone. Justin's X, which codes for many other things, is from his mother. Only a Trudeau daughter could be more like her father, getting his X as well which could be more dominant and stay turned on than the other from her mother. The Scientific explaination is longer than that, but son's inherit more from their mother's than father's thats a fact.

2/04/2007 1:55 p.m.  
Blogger cat mutant a dit...

Wow Shoshana, I hope you aren't teaching kids science!

Oh my God... Shoshana, please, what you just said is a pile of garbage!

As someone with a scientific background, I can say that you are REALLY over-simplifying links between human genetics and human behavior.

Environment is a dominant factor in shaping a child's attitude and behavior. The truth is that we just dont know how much is due to genetics and environment and other factors.

Please don't talk about things as if they are true when they're not proven.

2/04/2007 2:17 p.m.  
Blogger Down & Out in L A a dit...

There is a Trudeau daughter somewhere.

Her mother was constitutional lawyer Deborah Coyne.

Don't think the daughter is old enough to vote yet so probably can't be a candidate.

2/04/2007 3:37 p.m.  
Blogger s.b. a dit...

Cat mutant I said I was simplifying the Science. Did you read my comment? What I said is accurate. I have a degree in Biology with 4th year honours courses in Genetics, for which I recieved an A grade.

Men inherit more phenotype from their mothers than fathers, as the Y chomosome codes for little other than testosterone. Have you ever heard of baldness or color blindness cat mutant? Even if you had you are just more interested in being an ass than having a discussion.

2/04/2007 6:45 p.m.  
Blogger s.b. a dit...

Oh yeah Cat, Behavioural Science is a Social Science aka an Arts Degree. Is it Science you have a background in or Arts? I wasn't talking about behavioural science. I was talking about Genetics, perhaps you are confused.

2/04/2007 6:49 p.m.  
Blogger cat mutant a dit...

Oh Shoshana give it a rest with your petty insults. I was just pointing out that Justin Trudeau can act exactly like his father, no matter how much genetic material he has from his father. An adopted child will act like their adoptive parents, despite the fact of not having any genetic relation.

And my dear, I have a degree in sciences, not arts or social sciences. You are the one who is confused, becuase you fail to realize that human behavior is extremely complex and a result of inumerable factors, one of which is genetics.

Also, I was pointing out that your assumption that behavior is based predominately on genes isn't proven. I don't know why you feel the need to insult me,m I didn't insult you nor your scientific explanation, I simply said behavior is based on more than genes. That is all I am stating, I don't believe holding a different opinion from your's makes me an ass.

2/04/2007 11:05 p.m.  
Blogger WestmountLiberal a dit...

I think your sources are mixing up Jeanne LeBer and Papineau.
JT is not running in Papineau and not against VIVIAN. I have no idea where Elsie's name came from.

2/05/2007 12:39 p.m.  
Blogger burlivespipe a dit...

This constant haranguing of all things Justin is getting petit tiring. The majority of politicians begin with a small plate of accomplishments, and I don't think Justin's current and prior efforts are without merit. Certainly he deserves the chance to prove himself, first as a potential candidate to a riding, and then...
Even a great man like Michael Ignatieff had to start somewhere. And he's proven so far to know what is the importance that is at play in Ottawa. You just don't grasp it. It seems that you share a similar opinion with Shoshana. Shouldn't that concern you?

2/05/2007 9:20 p.m.  
Blogger Antonio a dit...

burlives with all due respect,

I only wanted Justin to have a nomination where he ran. He has not accomplished enough to be be parachuted into a fortress.

Vivian Barbot will not seek re-election in papineau, so my Pequiste friends tell me...

Jeanne LeBer would be interesting to see JT in but unless raymond Lavigne signs off on it, youre asking for trouble...

2/06/2007 12:08 a.m.  
Blogger andrewridgeley a dit...

To his credit, Justin's résumé does make him more qualified to sit in the House than those of Holland, Dhalla, Omar, Mauril, Rota, Wilson, Borys, McTeague, Mahli, Coderre, Russell, Rodriguez, Dhaliwal, Simms, Telegdi, Silva, Temelkovski, Cannis, etc. did before they became MPs (his résumé still looks better than most of them do now).

I wish someone would just clean house and get all these self-important organizers out of caucus. Twenty years of party civil war leaves you with a lot of garbage.

I'm not a Justin lover, but I'm all for talented new blood. And JT can stump and wow people. That's more than anyone listed above has ever been capable of doing.

2/06/2007 7:15 a.m.  
Blogger Antonio a dit...

andrew

except for Dhalla, all those people won nominations.

2/06/2007 10:19 a.m.  
Blogger Ed King a dit...

I agree with you Andrew. I've always thought it is perfectly legitimate to appoint so-called star candidates. Usually these people are considered stars because they are known for their accomplishments outside of politics. Unfortunately, in an open nomination race, these talented and successful people who have no political experience are no match for lifers like the people you listed.

Michael Ignatieff is a great example. If the nomination had been truly open, the Liberal Party would have one more political organizer as a representative instead of an internationally celebrated author and academic.

One of the leader's responsibilities is to ensure that the Liberal Party has the best slate of candidates possible. The leader should have the power to appoint candidates if they are truly deserving and incapable of winning a nomination in short order. It's certainly more honest and transparent than the shenanigans that resulted in Ignatieff's acclamation, for example.

2/06/2007 1:02 p.m.  
Blogger Frauley a dit...

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2/07/2007 4:40 a.m.  
Blogger andrewridgeley a dit...

Antonio,

That's what organizers do. They win nominations. They enter the race because at the finish line there's a 141,000 salary with benefits and a lot of public attention they would NEVER otherwise garner.

You know as much as I do a lot of folks in the Iggy campaign talked about cleaning house... excepting the organizer MPs that worked for them.

2/07/2007 4:43 a.m.  

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