April 25, 2007

Justin Trudeau: Just Watch Me Contradict Myself

It appears Justin is against shotgun deals, especially when one may screw him over. As reported here last week, membership sales show Justin is no shoo-in and in what would be the first Italian-Greek coalition I have ever seen, they may boot the wonderchild.

Trudeau's camp asked Deros' team about the rumours this week in a meeting, and said they had heard such a deal had already been formalized.

"I'm very wary of deals like that," Trudeau said.

"Any time there is a coalition that is based on anti-Trudeau or anti-anyone it worries me, particularly here in a nomination fight."

Was Justin even there December 2nd on the floor of the Palais des Congres?

I can’t wait for Sunday.

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25 Commentaires:

Blogger Chuckercanuck a dit...

I noticed that too. Funny guy.

4/25/2007 12:56 p.m.  
Blogger In_The_Centre a dit...

Any time there is a coalition that is based on anti-Trudeau or anti-anyone it worries me

LOL!

4/25/2007 2:02 p.m.  
Blogger Phil a dit...

Don't you mean Greek-Italian coalition? ;)

4/25/2007 2:42 p.m.  
Blogger fatness a dit...

Antonio, what is your opinion on the large number of voters who vote along ethnic lines, rather than the best person for the job?

4/25/2007 3:16 p.m.  
Blogger andrewridgeley a dit...

fatness,

Did Antonio vote for Joe Volpe at the leadership convention? No. He cast his ballot for the man he thought would have made the best Liberal leader.

I think that's your answer.

4/25/2007 3:59 p.m.  
Blogger JimTan a dit...

Have you guys seen the latest Decima polls?

Holy smokes, harper should resign. His party is going down after a giveaway 'family' budget.

Wow, it's going to get worst. On CBC live, the defense minister is being trashed in a parliamentary committee. They're almost saying that conner is stupid or lying.

Big fallout from this one.

4/25/2007 4:16 p.m.  
Blogger Dan McKenzie a dit...

I don't really follow this. Seemed to me that the Dion-Kennedy coaliton was about winning more than being anti-anything.

And since entitlement always comes up in this discussion I thought this quote was interesting.

"Little did I know he'd be coming into my riding and opposing my candidacy."

4/25/2007 4:30 p.m.  
Blogger burlivespipe a dit...

Yep, another cheap-fest from Antonio. It's an interesting race but I certainly wouldn't be putting a party-hat toon to one candidate losing, unless that candidate was so out of whack on liberal values that he obviously didn't belong.
Trudeau would be an asset in EVERY province. He has a STRONG grasp of issues that go beyond the piddling fiddle-diddle stuff you are so obsessed about. Of course, we can keep just electing Quebecers who only care really about Quebec, or we can reach beyond and find people with knowledge, experience and passion for issues outside the box, whether we all agree with them or not.
Let the Liberal voters of Papineau decide, without your boorish cheerleading. If Dion is smart and Trudeau loses, the leader will point him to one of the available ridings in Montreal. The party needs him (of course, he doesn't fit into Antonio's 'Bring Iggy back!' campaign, tho)

4/25/2007 4:52 p.m.  
Blogger Antonio a dit...

Dan...

before Justin supported Gerard, he was not for anybody, but he clearly was against somebody.

That is why some of us find it a little rich

4/25/2007 4:53 p.m.  
Blogger Antonio a dit...

burlivespipe...

prove it.

Every interview justin complains about how he is only in his fathers shadow people dont listen to him...

then he goes on to talk about his dad...

The man cannot list his own accomplishments because his resume is very thin.

Instead of calling me names, back yourself up.

The people of Papineau will decide. I have said that all along.

4/25/2007 4:57 p.m.  
Blogger Antonio a dit...

and another thing, If Dion wanted Justin in so badly, why is it rae organizers Franco Iacono and Reine hebert backing Justin and Dion's people backing Deros?

just a question...

4/25/2007 4:58 p.m.  
Blogger fatness a dit...

Jim Tan

Unless you have psychic powers like Muntean and Antonio, I advice you not to make such fanciful predictions.

Polls are not indicative of who will form the next government when there is no campaign going on. A lot can happen to affect poll numbers in a relatively short period of time, and those effects may diminish substantially by the time voters go to the polls.

The fact that both parties are in minority government levels shows the contempt many Canadians have for one or both of the two major parties.

4/25/2007 4:58 p.m.  
Blogger Dan McKenzie a dit...

Well I guess that makes some more sense, but I remember him taking a swipe at Rae too.

Still seems like you're reaching for whatever stick is available to whack him with.

4/25/2007 5:31 p.m.  
Blogger Antonio a dit...

Im sorry but seriously, if anything, I have been beating Justin trudeau over the head with the same stick, which nobody can seem to disprove...

4/25/2007 6:10 p.m.  
Blogger SteelCityGrit a dit...

Can't wait for Sunday either!

Here's hoping that a confederacy of lesser lights coalesces to prevent a new and moderately exciting face from winning. Here's hoping that back-room machinations engineer the victory of some uninspired and uninspiring long-time inisder.

Hell, it's worked pretty well for the Liberal party recently, as I'm sure you'll agree.

I personally hoped that the Dion victory would teach anyone for wanting to part of this party (without the requisite decades of line-towing and bake sale organizing.) If it didn't, Sunday surely will.

By the way, you may be confusing Justin Trudeau with Gerard Kennedy. Trudeau came remarkably close at the convention to publicly admitting his discomfort with the deal. He was markedly unenthusiastic, which set him apart from every candidate and important person minus two. No inconsistency there, unfortunatement.

4/25/2007 9:33 p.m.  
Blogger JimTan a dit...

Fat said

“Unless you have psychic powers like Muntean and Antonio, I advice you not to make such fanciful predictions.”

I defer to your superior political experience.

“Polls are not indicative of who will form the next government when there is no campaign going on.”

Actually, most people haven’t even made up their minds. Many people make up their minds on the last week before voting. However, no sane politician ignores these polls.

Political operatives use polls (internal or public) as a test of their ideas. As I said, the CPC’s numbers are going down quickly after the budget. Harper’s gamble on a possible election theme has failed. Harper doesn’t need an actual election to get feedback.

So, a poll can be useful if you have the right context in mind.

The latest Strategic Council poll asked a specific question. Do you believe that implementing the Kyoto Accord will result (per Baird’s claims) in large unemployment? The result was 60% no, 36% yes. So much for another CPC tactic!

That said, the Liberals need to interpret the polls carefully. You could also read the polls to say that the voters aren’t interested in an election at this time.

The public is intelligent and understands the ulterior motive behind the polls. They use these regular polls to provide feedback to the politicians.

I hope that this adds some clarity to our discussion.

4/26/2007 4:04 a.m.  
Blogger Robert_S a dit...

It seems obvious to me that Justin would be a valuable asset to the party. He is an intelligent young man and an excellent public speaker. He does a lot of volunteer work and speaks out about things he believes in. Because of his name he's going to get a lot of media attention. This will help the party communicate its message.

If this guy wasn't a Trudeau would you still be so negative? I can find you dozens of no name MPs with far less qualifications then Justin if you want to start attacking them.

I thought we wanted to make the party stronger.. I guess not. You Trudeau bashers are completely backwards.

If they let Trudeau get away the party is making a huge mistake.

4/26/2007 8:40 a.m.  
Blogger Candace a dit...

If there is a "Best Label Ever" award, I would nominate this post. I would also argue, however, that being a drama teacher in a private school is certainly a qualification for Question Period, but not much else in gov't.

4/26/2007 9:09 a.m.  
Blogger Antonio a dit...

Once again,

to all those who say Justin is more qualified than other MPs, tell me HOW!

List what he has done.

4/26/2007 10:04 a.m.  
Blogger Robert_S a dit...

First... what exactly are the qualifications for being an MP? Once we can agree on that then we can determine if he is qualified or not.

Second... who do you think would be better for the party? Trudeau, Deros or Giordano? If your answer is Deros or Giordano please explain your answer.

The riding will choose who they think will represent them best... whichever one they decide, there is no doubt that Trudeau would have been the best for the party looking at it from a national perspective.

4/26/2007 10:24 a.m.  
Blogger Antonio a dit...

Deros knows the community (at least part of it) as she represented them as a city councillor for 7 years, winning both times with landslide margins.

That may help re-take the riding.

I think you have to have a connection to the riding you seek to run in, at a minimum.

As far as Giordano goes, I am not that impressed. He is running as the Italian candidate, and you have to do more to get my vote other than being italian...

As for Trudeau being good in the national sense, I see that this may be true, but putting him in hostile territory in the province where his presence is least beneficial may not be the solution.

That being said, if he does win Sunday, he will have earned his stripes in my eyes and those of many Liberals here in Eastern Montreal

4/26/2007 12:45 p.m.  
Blogger Tarek a dit...

Robert, to answer your question, I think Deros would be the best candidate for the job. Because of her experience as municipal councillor, she understands very well the issues of a riding that is not exactly the most prosperous.
It's about time the citizens of Papineau elected one of their own to Parliament. Don't you think?

4/26/2007 12:46 p.m.  
Blogger andrewridgeley a dit...

"I think you have to have a connection to the riding you seek to run in, at a minimum."

How do you justify Iggy's nomination, then? He doesn't even live in Etobicoke today. Michael's avoided stepping foot in his riding ever since he was elected to represent it. If you have an exceptional circumstance, where an individual is clearly qualified to be a parliamentarian or is desperately needed by the party, I think you can make exceptions. That's the argument Justin supporters are making for him and how is it any different than the argument we Iggy supporters made for our guy in 2005?

4/28/2007 4:58 a.m.  
Blogger James Bowie a dit...

He was there. I saw him.

4/28/2007 10:53 a.m.  
Blogger andrewridgeley a dit...

Yeah, I was speaking exaggeratedly. But Ignatieff has undeniably gone out of his way to avoid Etobcoke. He's there for riding events when he needs to be and that's it. Olivia Chow is his representative in the House of Commons. He's one of the worst constituency MPs in the country, especially under the condition that Antonio sets forth here. He had no connection to and still has no connection to his riding.

Fortunately, Trudeau seems to be in good graces now.

4/28/2007 1:57 p.m.  

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