October 31, 2006

Were They Reading the Same Resolution?

I heart the CBC

I always did. But after last night's National, I heart them even more

Here is the clip....fast forward to 14 minutes in and watch the report on the Nation question.


Wendy, tonight is another restless one for Liberals as they continue to blame each other for allowing their leadership campaign to become trapped in an argument about Quebec and the constitution. The argument started here, Montreal, just over a week ago. The Quebec wing of the party adopted a resolution to be voted on at the national convention at the end of November. The resolution recognizes Quebec as a nation, and it describes a process for figuring out how to formalize that. It doesn't mention reopening the constitution, but most accept that is what it meant. The question is when.


First we have to see whether it's adopted.


Leadership frontrunner Michael Ignatieff supported the resolution, and some of his key backers claim they were responsible for its success. He has in the past talked about reopening the constitution in the future. It's in platform documents, but what he said here didn't sound all that urgent:


And you choose a leader, and his job is to find the moment, find the possibility when we could do something. If it's not possible, it's not possible.


His closest rival, Bob Rae, cast it a little differently:


I have no particular problem with the formulation of the words "Quebec is a nation." Where I part company with some is the extent to which the constitution... we should be reopening the constitution at this point in time.


"At this point in time." That, more or less, set the tone. Rae and Stéphane Dion led a growing chorus of detractors who claimed it was Ignatieff's bad idea to reopen the constitution soon.

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Watch Bob Rae and Michael Ignatieff respond to the resolution that was passed in Montreal. How could Bob say what he said and oppose the resolution. Makes me wonder if someone perhaps gave Bob the wrong text. After that comment. he should theoretically be in favor of what was passed...

Bob's position continues to puzzle me

22 Commentaires:

Blogger s.b. a dit...

"In the heat of a national election campaign, Mr. Harper's cookie jar would prevail over Mr. Ignatieff's can of worms."

from today's Globe.

That about sums up Ignatieff's platform and policy "Can of Worms"
vote for me. Its pretty clear now that Mr. Ignatieff won't be leading this Party thank God!

10/31/2006 8:51 a.m.  
Blogger Cerberus a dit...

What's humourous is how some people say Ignatieff is toast, done, no chance, but then feel the need to keep saying that week after week. If he was truly done, if people like s.b. truly thought that, you'd think they would have moved on to other things like discussing who will win and what are that candidate's pros and cons.

Alas, methinks they aren't so convinced of their own rhetoric and spin.

10/31/2006 9:20 a.m.  
Blogger Altavistagoogle a dit...

I thought SB would be in jail by now (Google Shoshana Berman). Then again, maybe she is posting from jail...

10/31/2006 9:32 a.m.  
Blogger Skip a dit...

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10/31/2006 10:13 a.m.  
Blogger s.b. a dit...

Oh I have moved on to other things Cerberus like ensuring the defeat of this "Can of Worms" at the Policy level. Ignatieff has defeated himself as was inevitable.

10/31/2006 10:13 a.m.  
Blogger duojet57 a dit...

"Ignatieff is a maverick with bold ideas -- only not when it comes to Quebec. His ideas are the same as all of the front runners."

That seems to be the strategy of Ignatieff campaign of late. What a crock.

I'm truly astounded at the luck of political judgement being shown by the Ignatieff team.

The idea that Quebec is a nation may play well in some corners of Quebec (soft and no-soft nationalists like Landry have lapped it up). But in other parts of Quebec and especially in ROC? What were they thinking?

This issue will not only cause Ignatieff to not win the leadership, it will result in the Liberals being divided and torn for another 4-5 years. The only winners will be Harper and the Bloc.

10/31/2006 10:20 a.m.  
Blogger s.b. a dit...

Actually Cerberus the comment is from the globe and they go into detail about why none of Igs policies have any choice to offer Canadian voters against Harper. You should read it. here

10/31/2006 10:26 a.m.  
Blogger propatria a dit...

How about ignatieff showing some leadership by explaining what he thinks "quebec is a nation" means? Because by itself it means everything and nothing to everyone and noone.

10/31/2006 10:37 a.m.  
Blogger CuriosityCat a dit...

If this Quebec motions passes, The Cat agrees with the Ottawa Sun (October 31, 2006):

"Based on this appalling record, our advice to any Canadian who wants to preserve national unity is simple. In the next federal election, don't vote Liberal."

Why should voters follow a Liberal Party over the constitutional amendment cliff, like lemmings, just because no candidate for Liberal leader had the courage to stop this nonsense?

10/31/2006 10:38 a.m.  
Blogger canuckistanian a dit...

well said curiositycat. i for one will put my country before my party and vote for a truly federalist candidate. nevertheless, as some have already pointed out here, iggy no longer has a very good chance of winning. my only concern is that this resolution in itself risks losing the next election for the libs, even if it is dropped our diluted.

as an aside, anyone else notice martha hall findlay adopting the iggy hq talking points in the globe today. she said that all four candidates agree that quebec is a nation, and that they all agree that the constitution should not be re-opened 'now'. interesting eh?

10/31/2006 12:25 p.m.  
Blogger big gay al's big gay liberal sanctuary a dit...

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10/31/2006 12:25 p.m.  
Blogger big gay al's big gay liberal sanctuary a dit...

I motion that we impeach Antonio for his blatant support for someone who is causing deep divisions in the Liberal Party.

Didn't you learn anything from the Chretien-Martin era? Obviously not.

This whole notion of the 'Quebec Nation' wasn't even a major issue until Ignatieff had the bright idea of bringing it up.

Antonio, shouldn't Newfoundland be considered a nation? It has a distinct culture and history. ANSWER MY QUESTION instead of ignoring the hard ones like you usually do.


10/31/2006 12:28 p.m.  
Blogger canuckistanian a dit...

of course newfoundland is a nation, in the sociological sense. why we would amend the ocnstitution to recognize that fact is beyond me. or is it b/c there aren't any separatists there to pander to?

10/31/2006 1:40 p.m.  
Blogger s.b. a dit...

Actually, there are some Newfoundland seperatists and some western seperatists, gosh there are probably some Ontario seperatists. We do have Simcoe Day you know, and no one else does, and could easily move our National Holidy to Aug 1st instead of July 1st. We even have the Six Nations reserve. Recognizing any of the Nations in Canada as different under the constitution or opening it up for debate is just well plain dumb. Yep dumb and to use it to score political points is unforgiveable. I'm sure that cooler heads than Antonio and the kiddies, the guy with all the hair and the anti-semite will prevail at convention, unlike the side swipe they gave the Liberal Party and all of Canada at the LPCQ in Montreal.

10/31/2006 2:27 p.m.  
Blogger Gavin Neil a dit...

I cannot believe I agree with everything SB has said here.

Either Iggy knew what he was getting into when he opened this can of weorks, or he didn't.

Therefore, he is either a self-obsessed, power-hungry jerk who will sacrifice the unity of the party and of this country forhis own short-term game, or he is an idiot.

Either way, he is totally unsuitable for any high political office. Totally.

Question to Iggy supporters:

What the heck is wrong with you guys?


10/31/2006 3:05 p.m.  
Blogger Wah Fist a dit...

This nation business will take a big hit out of Iggy support in the west--no two ways about it. I know a bunch of people who will switch support away from him after first ballot.

The big problem is the word 'nation'. Although technically correct, it is a poor choice for the English version of the resolution. Just reread the resolution subbing in the word 'country' and you will read the reso the way anglos do.

Personally, I accept the fact that Quebec is a nation (sociologically-speaking). I believe that there is fairly wide support for the idea.

What needs to be clarifed is the relationship between the 'nation' and the province. There are many living outside of Quebec that clearly belong to the 'nation'.

Moreover, the seperatists would like nothing more than to have the Province delared a nation.

10/31/2006 3:16 p.m.  
Blogger propatria a dit...

Maybe the people who voted for the resolution should have given some thought as to what the hell "quebec is a nation" means to different people. An exact definition attached to the resolution would have been nice no? Would that have killed anyone?

10/31/2006 4:47 p.m.  
Blogger big gay al's big gay liberal sanctuary a dit...


The same people that voted for the resolution booed other candidates because they didn't want democracy to follow its course.

I think it's because they were cranky and hadn't had their naptime.

It goes to show you the quality of some of the people that voted for the resolution... the same clowns that would sow seeds of division to further their goals, rather than the common-good of the party.

10/31/2006 5:19 p.m.  
Blogger Manitoba Liberal a dit...

I look foward to the Liberal Party in-fighting that will happen if Ignatieff manages to delude enough useful idiots to make him leader.

I know out West that Ignatieff's Quebec position will pretty much make us radioactive. I hope his selling out to the soft nationalists (ie: soft morons) will give the Liberals enough seats to make up for the 0 they will win from B.C to Manitoba.

10/31/2006 6:50 p.m.  
Blogger Antonio a dit...

I wonder why Bob Rae continues to oppose the motion when he supports what is in it...

How is it negative to point out a Bob Rae quote from last Saturday?

10/31/2006 9:18 p.m.  
Blogger anybody but iggy a dit...

So answer his question, Antonio! Why not consider Newfoundland a nation?

10/31/2006 11:13 p.m.  
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6/08/2007 6:18 a.m.  

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