November 27, 2006

Cannon Confronted on “Quebecois” Says Anglos Are NOT Part of Quebec Nation

Lawrence Cannon was asked by Elizabeth Thompson of the Montreal Gazette if this motion applies to all Quebecers.

He just answered no

WOW

Harper better clarify this fast. Cannon is blaming the separatists for proposing it only applies to francophones who got off the boat. He is saying he does not want to froce this decision on anyone. But to say it excludes people doesnt help

Looks like another Cabinet minister may have to go.

More on this soon...

30 Commentaires:

Blogger Peter Loewen a dit...

Looks like he knows the definition of Quebecois.

11/27/2006 5:54 PM  
Blogger Antonio a dit...

harper today in the house said

Quebec is a nation

and Quebecers are a nation

Harper was clear in Question Period today

11/27/2006 5:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous a dit...

The motion isn't about Quebec, of Quebecers. It is about Quebecois, even in the english version of the motion.

The reasons these games are so awful is all these words being thrown around, means different things to different people.

Even some people believe motions should be studied in court decisions (Charest).

This is why it is better not to talk about it - because one can never reach a solution that will both command a mojority of Quebecers, and the majority of Canadians.

11/27/2006 6:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous a dit...

* of course I meant 'or Quebecers' not 'of Quebecers'

11/27/2006 6:07 PM  
Blogger Peter Loewen a dit...

Yeah, we all know what Quebecois means. No serious analyst thinks it means anything other than French speaking Quebecers. We can debate whether one has to be old stock or not, but those who are Anglophones in Quebec can rarely if ever make the case to be Quebecois.

11/27/2006 6:08 PM  
Blogger Antonio a dit...

I think that you're being very close-minded peter

11/27/2006 6:12 PM  
Blogger Dan McKenzie a dit...

I can't keep up.

11/27/2006 6:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous a dit...

Antonio, if you believe Quebec is nation, not an ethnic/sociological nation, a nation defined by political boundaries, call a spade a spade.

If you believe Quebec is a nation, why would you settle for the Quebecois (in your interpretation) being called a nation?

11/27/2006 6:16 PM  
Blogger Quebec Liberal a dit...

so who is right, Peter Mackay or Lawrence Cannon?

11/27/2006 6:16 PM  
Blogger Quebec Liberal a dit...

Does tonight debate help or hurt Michael Ignatieff?

11/27/2006 6:17 PM  
Blogger WestmountLiberal a dit...

Hun, I always thought I was Quebecois..
Merci (et ciao) M Cannon!

11/27/2006 6:17 PM  
Blogger Sinestra a dit...

This has always been the problem. Cannon was clear on this yesterday. The PMO was clear on this in their release last week. WHY is anyone surprised? And WHY are Liberals trying to distort this meaning by insisting it is sociological?

11/27/2006 6:29 PM  
Blogger Peter Loewen a dit...

I'm not being close-minded Antonio. What I am trying to be is clear-eyed, and I don't know any serious people who would suggest that I, an Anglo in the Plateau with middling French and no Jean Leloup records am a Quebecois.

So, it's not me who is closed.

11/27/2006 6:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous a dit...

From http://pmonews.blogspot.com/2006/11/statement_23.html

"Mr. Speaker, the Québécois know who they are.

They know they have contributed to Canada’s founding, development and greatness.

They know they have preserved their unique language and culture and promoted their values and interests within Canada."

By using the word their to describe language, Harper excludes anglo Quebeckers from the Quebecois nationality.

11/27/2006 6:46 PM  
Blogger Antonio a dit...

I believe that I am a Quebecer as much as my francophone neighbour.

If some believe that they will not be as Quebecois as the others who have spent their life contributing to this society, they are entitled to do so.

The Quebec nation, like the Canadian nation is inclusive, not exclusive.

11/27/2006 6:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous a dit...

Your last comment proves the difficulty - you use member of Quebec Nation, Quebecers and Quebecois interchangably.

As we have seen, your view is not the consensus view. No interpretation is coming out in front.

Just look at this article on what the words multiple meanings:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebecois

11/27/2006 7:01 PM  
Blogger Peter Loewen a dit...

Kyle nails it on the head. Antonio, I've seen you slide in and out of definitions and it won't do. tell me, are all French Canadians Quebecois? What of the Acadians?

11/27/2006 7:02 PM  
Blogger Ed King a dit...

Antonio is asking for clarification on the meaning of the word nation... now I've seen it all!

It seems to me that the Harper government is playing the same game Iggy has mastered these last few months: talking about a civic nation one moment, and talking about the characteristics of an ethnic nation, like language, history and culture, the next.

Now you know how the rest of us have felt all this time! What a mess...

11/27/2006 7:19 PM  
Blogger Altavistagoogle a dit...

I think Quebec's Language Charter (aka Bill 101 or 178) should be modified to ban the use of the word "Québécois" in English. That way, there would be less confusion.

The interesting thing about the Harper resolution is that if it were legislation, it would be eventually thrown out by the courts because it is not an exact translation.

By the way, I say the spelling of "Quebecker" needs a "k".

11/27/2006 7:36 PM  
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11/27/2006 8:31 PM  
Blogger Quebec Liberal a dit...

Antonio:

You are not considered a Quebecois by Quebec's political elite.

You are a Quebecker of Italian origin, with full rights as a minority in this province.

You and your children (and probably their children) will never be considered Quebecois by the pure lain.

I am in the same boat, it does not bother me in the least. However, I do not fool myself by believing that I am considered to be someone that I am not.

11/27/2006 8:42 PM  
Blogger Mark a dit...

He goes on to state with exact precision the year his boat arrived...

11/27/2006 9:23 PM  
Blogger big gay al's big gay liberal sanctuary a dit...

Antonio, you may say you're a Quebecer, but the truth of the matter is that you are not a "vrai" Quebecois, and never will be... look at your last name. And look at your culture: I'm sure you know way more Italian singers than Quebecois singers... you can hardly share the same culture, because your culture is Italo-Canadian/Quebecer, not Quebecois.

You are un italien. That's how Italo-Canadian/Quebecers are referred to. Un italien. You are un italien, point final. Un Québecois? Jamais. C'est la réalité. You can't change that... Est-ce que les choses sont changées? Oui, il y a moins de discrimination. Mais, a la fin du jour, tu seras toujours réfèrer comme un italien, jamais un Quebecois.

11/27/2006 10:21 PM  
Blogger Liberal Pebbles a dit...

from AP
"Parliament formally recognized the French-speaking people of Quebec as a nation within Canada"

11/28/2006 2:24 AM  
Blogger Antonio a dit...

Ah well

looks like Jacques Parizeau wasnt the only one who saw italians "le vote ethnique"

Seems like some of you guys still do

11/28/2006 7:56 AM  
Blogger Loraine Lamontagne a dit...

Antonio: According to Blackburn, it will be up to the "sovereignists" to determine whether or not you are a Québécois. So, don't you start thinking you have any right to define yourself as a Quebecois, Quebecer!
Loraine Lamontagne
Québécoise-hors-Québec,
http://www.cyberpresse.ca/article/20061128/CPACTUALITES/61128094/1019/CPACTUALITES

11/28/2006 10:23 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous a dit...

The concept of a sociological nation, IMO, is connected to culture, language and history. Extending the concept beyong those things which connect the Quebecois is dangerous as it starts to resemble a geo-political nation. That is why I liked "distinct society" better. It is more inclusive of Anglos and minorities without confering geo-political structures.

11/28/2006 11:13 AM  
Blogger canuckistanian a dit...

great point cote gauche. if only federalist quebeckers weren't so seduced and deluded by separatist mythology, this wouldn't even be an issue.

11/28/2006 12:44 PM  
Blogger propatria a dit...

Thank God theres people like dion who arent willing to put the country at risk for a few votes.

11/28/2006 12:47 PM  

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