Harper Lands Knockout Punch on Bloc
“This is their third position in three days on the issue. And I think now they have to explain what their raison d'etre is in Ottawa if they're going to pass a resolution put forward by the prime minister that endorses the unity of Canada."
For a party that was a temporary rainbow coalition, this is not a good day for the separatists...
For a party that was a temporary rainbow coalition, this is not a good day for the separatists...
par / by Anthony à / at 1:31 p.m.
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I'm not sure that Canada can take any more "victories" like this. In summary, "short-term gain, BIG long-term pain."
Harper is now referring to the "reality of the Quebec nation" when talking to the media.
Hahaha
aww have the poor Rae supporters spun themselves out of control again?
Quebec and Quebecois are the SAME BLOODY thing
A Quebecois is a person who resides in Quebec.
I told Braeden people wouldnt be able to stand on that island for long.
It makes no logical sense to say Quebecers are a nation within Canada and then to say the territory where the vast majority of them live not a nation.
I would be surprised to see anyone significant take that position.
Seeing Duceppe fumble around on this on LCN this afternoon is cracking me up...poor muffin, probably thought he was gonna pop open a bottle of champagne this weekend.
oh and for the record i meant knockout punch on this issue. Duceppe cant fight back on this for now. he has to take his beating and go home for Christmas
dear antonio,
you're nuts though.
the Quebecois and Quebec are NOT the same thing and that is critical.
The province of Quebec and the Quebecois nation have been cleaved. Quebec's territory does not belong to separatists and now we even have the separatist party making that distinction.
Partition in the event of separation is now assured.
T
To the others:
this is a knock out punch because Duceppe and the seppies have worked for decades to make the separatist cause a CIVIC movement.
Today, everyone agrees, even the separatists: the seppie movement is an ETHNIC movement. Not CIVIC.
Now, let's see how popular separtism is knowing that:
a) it is based on an ethnic nationalism that excludes everyone but Quebecois francophones.
b) Quebec the Country won't control more than 50% of Quebec the Province's territory.
1. "The Parliament of Canada has recognized (overwhelmingly, with all party support of a motion NOT brought forward by the BQ) that the Quebecois are a nation, while acknowledging the objective fact that our nation currently resides within the borders of the larger Canadian nation."
2. "'Quebecoise' is a word which refers to a citizen of Quebec. Period."
3. As a nation, acknowledged by the Parliament of Canada, we have an affirmative right to self-determination as outlined in the United Nations Charter.
4. We will now hold a referendum to determine whether our nation (acknowledged by Canada's Prime Minister and Parliament) should continue to be confined within another nation's borders, or should become not just a nation, but an INDEPENDENT nation.
Four easy steps to the end of Canada as we know it.
Ducceppe put forward a resolution that had no hope of passing, in order to stir up trouble for the Liberals. Now, he's going to get almost the exact same resolution passed, OVERWHELMINGLY, with all party support (and a simple caveat that basically acknowledges the self-evident fact that the "Quebecois nation" hasn't yet separated from Canada... YET...).
If you'd suggested to Ducceppe 6 months ago that he put Harper's motion forward for a vote, he would have thought you were smoking crack. Under Chretien this would have been UNTHINKABLE. Hell, Mulroney almost tore the country apart because he tried to deal with an even less meaningful acknowledgement of Quebec as a "distinct society".
Ducceppe isn't dazed by some rhetorical knockout punch. He's drunk from all the partying he's been doing every night.
People seem to think this is an end. It's not. It's a new beginning. I think it's going to be a rough ride.
oh my
accusing the separatists of wanting to kill the anglos now...how classy...thankfully canuckistanian, youre not a public figure. I would have to resign if I accused the separatists of plotting genocide or ethnic cleansing. Your rhetoric really does not help the debate.
I stand by my views guys
Quebec is a civic nation. Quebec the province and the people that live there form a civic nation within Canada.
If there are some who do not believe this is true, they are more than welcome to believe that.
However, to associate Quebecer to the french language only, and automatically, is to endorse ethnic nationalism, which I have never supported.
Partition will only happen if the courts allow it chuck and you know that. Both sides cant continuously fight forever.
Lastly, to accuse all separatists of wanting to create an ethnic nation with a race of French-speaking people, which propatria has done, is an insult to those who do not have this closed-minded, and racist view.
This debate is seemingly far from over.
I am not part of this Quebecois nation.
Generations before me have lived in Quebec. In Montreal.
I'm not part of this Quebecois nation, but I'm a Quebecker.
Denying that is like denying the francophone Quebeckers are a nation.
There is Canadian Idol. There is Star Academie. And there are Quebeckers who watch Canadian Idol.
Thank you for saying anglophones were not part of the nation.
I hope your candidate of choice (stephane Dion) does not embaace the same opinion
Antonio: In case you miss it with your busy Lib schedule, Prof Pierre Martin gets it right in Le Devoir today: http://www.ledevoir.com/2006/11/25/123559.html
Now, with all due respect, I don't believe you truly understand Harper's vision for minorities in Canada (including the linguistic one). You certainly don't seem to have a clue about living as a francophone in a province other than Quebec, as I do. We don't have the luxury of pie-in-the-sky, Renan/Ignatieffesque definitions of who we are. Our concerns are our legal rights. Happy to hear that a Liberal government would not let us down but to be told by yourself that Liberals consider French Canadians as political chips in their game is not particurly rejoicing. It would certainly be a major departure for the Liberal Party of Canada!
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