November 22, 2006

Did the Separatists Finally Learn How to Ask a Clear Question?

Gilles Duceppe took a very big gamble yesterday by forcing Liberal MPs to vote on Quebecers’ status as a nation. Do Quebecers form a nation?

It is a great question. The Bloc has certainly asked more ridiculous things before. At least this one is relevant. The move, in fact, appears to be quite brilliant, if in fact, it ends up failing. But why should it fail? The Bloc finally learned how to ask a clear question after 10 years, we should at least try and answer it.

The question is actually quite simple.

Be it resolved that Quebecers form a nation. (that is 8 words, 120 less than the referendum question)

Well, that settles it. How many Liberal leadership candidates support this notion? Let’s see…

Ignatieff Yes

Bob Rae depends what day it is…I think Tuesdays are good for him

Gerard Kennedy luckily the question is in French and that is the nation Kennedy supports

Stephane Dion has said Quebec forms a nation…and he’s never backtracked…

Ken Dryden will likely try and get this vote shelved as well…

Scott Brison said he believes Quebec is a nation.

Joe Volpe honestly I do not know

Martha no

That should be 7 out of 8 leadership candidates in favor of it. What are people afraid of? Certainly, after putting Michael Ignatieff through the ringer on this, none of them would want to vote for this motion 4 days before they plan on slagging Michael on the floor of the convention. Ah well, Gilles Duceppe has done Quebecers a favor. He is telling Liberal and Tory MPs, some of whom say Quebec is a nation, to put their money where their mouth is.

I think a former Intergovernmental Affairs Minister once said “A clear question never hurt anyone” Indeed Stephane I could have never said it better myself.

15 Commentaires:

Blogger Jason Cherniak a dit...

What is the French wording? Are they talking about "Québequois"? If so, do they only mean Francophones? It's nowhere near as clear as you suggest.

11/22/2006 9:20 a.m.  
Blogger Ed King a dit...

The wording of the motion is:

Que cette Chambre reconnaisse que les Québécoises et les Québécois forment une nation.

11/22/2006 9:59 a.m.  
Blogger WestmountLiberal a dit...

If this passes, I will be a "true Québécois" - pur laine, non?

If the federalist MPs are smart, they will abstain (or pull the motion) and not be dragged into this seperatist trap.

11/22/2006 10:07 a.m.  
Blogger anybody but iggy a dit...

Too bad Iggy cannot learn to form a clear sentence, on this or any other topic.
When it seems like he is, he just goes back and changes it 48 hours later.
Oh, and the Apps email? GREAT idea. Insult Trudeau's memory and his son - this is going to hurt you guys all over, especially where you are strongest - youth.
How could a campaign be any worse?

11/22/2006 12:05 p.m.  
Blogger cat mutant a dit...

anybody but iggy

I would say any campaign could go worse by having you support it.

11/22/2006 12:14 p.m.  
Blogger canuckistanian a dit...

the flq is back and the separatists are trying to destroy the country again...thanks iggy!

ethnic nationalism was a great idea, right hitler???

11/22/2006 1:53 p.m.  
Blogger cat mutant a dit...


Are you trying to say that Ignatieff is the cause of the FLQ "return" and separatists? Come on... how outrageous are things going to get on this blog?

There are extremists everywhere. Ignatieff DID NOT create them, nor provoke them. These members of the FLQ and MLNQ, headed by Raymond Villeneuve are nutjob xenophobic scum of the earth. Of course, they are to be taken seriously, but these morons ARE NOT representative of the vast majority of Quebecers, no matter what origin. Just like there are some Anglos in Quebec who refuse to learn French, there are some French who claim the non-franco-Quebec community is destroying their culture, despite their small population (15% of total Quebec population) and geographical confinement to mostly the Montreal area.

And great move bringing Hitler into the discussion. Nothing adds more credibility to what you say by drawing parallels between a vile monster responsibile for acts of genocide and the hateful language of a few morons who live in their parents' basement and can't get laid.

Seriously, if you have nothing constructive to say, don't say it.

11/22/2006 3:21 p.m.  
Blogger propatria a dit...

Seeing as how dion has clearly said quebecois form a SOCIOLOGICAL nation and ignatieff, depending on which day it is, has said quebec is a CIVIC nation, how the hell can you lump their positions together?

Oh, right, ignatieff needs people to think him putting his foot in his mouth was actually just ignatieff stating the same position as all the other top 4 contenders.

You like clear questions? How about this one: if canada is divisible, is quebec also divisible?

11/22/2006 4:47 p.m.  
Blogger canuckistanian a dit...

quebec is a province...of course it is divisible. the big question being (if there is a yes vote) is if the part that remains in canada calls itself quebec, what will the part that leaves call themselves??? will the real quebec please stand up?

as for hitler, some think comparing him to anyone is taboo. i don't think anything is taboo..except the incest taboo...that's nearly universal. i was merely pointing out that ethnic nationalism is regressive. some people who have been proponents of it have done nasty things. that's all i'm saying.

regardless, i used to think iggy had it right on quebec nationalism when he called it regressive in blood and he thinks its great...go figure.

of course the flq has nothing to do with iggy. this bloc motion and now conservative motion; has everything to do with iggy.

whatever happened to calling canada our nation???

11/22/2006 6:33 p.m.  
Blogger Antonio a dit...

I have two nations

and I am damn proud of it.

I would ask the Supreme Court if Quebec is divisible. Unlike Canada, Quebec's regions are hardly a federation.

It's not as simple as that.

Let's ask the court.

When I dont have a clear answer, I dont mind asking for help.

11/22/2006 7:38 p.m.  
Blogger big gay al's big gay liberal sanctuary a dit...

Antonio, are you insinuating that if Quebec separates, the federalist zones separate with it?

11/22/2006 10:52 p.m.  
Blogger propatria a dit...

Even though i was born and raised in quebec i have absolutly no sense of having two nations, so im not as lucky as you.

And would that be the supreme court of canada, or quebec? Seeing as how separatists have no desire to follow the canadian supreme courts judgement on quebecs separation, why on earth would canadian separatists be obliged to wait for its judgement?

Do you even believe quebec separatists are bound by the clarity act?

11/23/2006 12:35 a.m.  
Blogger Antonio a dit...

The Clarity Act is Canadian Law

so it applies...Andre Boisclair cannot make up his own rules as he goes along.

The Supreme Court of Canada is the highest court of appeal in the land. That is why I would ask for a reference.

11/23/2006 12:47 a.m.  
Blogger propatria a dit...

So since the supreme court ruled unilateral succesion is illegal, you agree?

11/23/2006 2:09 p.m.  
Blogger canuckistanian a dit...

i am of french heritage, but my nation will always be canada. my nation is inclusive. funny that so many people living in quebec think that canada is their nation.

that the areas of quebec that want to remain a part of canada if there is a yes vote have that right is indisputable. to dispute that is to fall into separatist mythology.

11/23/2006 3:25 p.m.  

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