Let the Hypocrisy Begin
Yes, I am now a pariah because I had the gall to suggest that the new leader take the views of others into account.
To say I had a rough weekend would be an understatement, but I will like to point out a few things to all the hypocrites that are screaming party blindness…er unity.
1) If I believed 24 hours ago that Dion would lose us seats in Quebec if he won, then I still believe it now. Saying otherwise would be LYING!
2) If I believed that renewing the party was not putting a Cabinet Minister of 10 years at the helm 24 hours ago, then I still believe it now. Saying otherwise would be LYING!
3) If I believed 24 hours ago that Dion’s stubborn attitude towards soft nationalists could be bad for national unity, especially when we have federalist opponents in Quebec, then I still believe it now. Saying otherwise would be LYING!
4) If I believed that an environment minister who only talked about reducing emissions instead of actually reducing them was not credible on the environment, then I still believe it now. Saying otherwise would be LYING!
Now to prove my point, would all Iggy detractors forget everything they have been saying about him for 8 months? I somehow REALLY doubt it.
Can these things be changed? I would say nothing is set in stone.
So suck it up, we have work to do, especially in Quebec. I have said it before and I will say it again, if we want to win back the hearts and minds of Quebecers, we will need to listen to them.
Am I being divisive when all I say is that we will need to pull up our bootstraps if we have any chance at winning? No. I never predicted an Ignatieff win would be an easy election victory either. So open your eyes and get to work.
I will get to work. There is policy to write! There is grassroots to be consulted! Let’s get to work. Mr Dion, my hand is still there, if you wish to take it.
To say I had a rough weekend would be an understatement, but I will like to point out a few things to all the hypocrites that are screaming party blindness…er unity.
1) If I believed 24 hours ago that Dion would lose us seats in Quebec if he won, then I still believe it now. Saying otherwise would be LYING!
2) If I believed that renewing the party was not putting a Cabinet Minister of 10 years at the helm 24 hours ago, then I still believe it now. Saying otherwise would be LYING!
3) If I believed 24 hours ago that Dion’s stubborn attitude towards soft nationalists could be bad for national unity, especially when we have federalist opponents in Quebec, then I still believe it now. Saying otherwise would be LYING!
4) If I believed that an environment minister who only talked about reducing emissions instead of actually reducing them was not credible on the environment, then I still believe it now. Saying otherwise would be LYING!
Now to prove my point, would all Iggy detractors forget everything they have been saying about him for 8 months? I somehow REALLY doubt it.
Can these things be changed? I would say nothing is set in stone.
So suck it up, we have work to do, especially in Quebec. I have said it before and I will say it again, if we want to win back the hearts and minds of Quebecers, we will need to listen to them.
Am I being divisive when all I say is that we will need to pull up our bootstraps if we have any chance at winning? No. I never predicted an Ignatieff win would be an easy election victory either. So open your eyes and get to work.
I will get to work. There is policy to write! There is grassroots to be consulted! Let’s get to work. Mr Dion, my hand is still there, if you wish to take it.
par / by Anthony à / at 10:17 p.m.
16 Commentaires:
"Anybody but iggy" has been trolling up a storm today; probably some reject from SDA who learned how to fake a blogger login.
sigh anybody but iggy,
seems like you are ready to open old wounds.
its obvious you would never rally.
Attacks by some should not be painted as representative from all. Just remember that Antonio; Dion's bloggers arent necessarily representative of Dion's views on taking other people's hands (nor as I said for that matter from the majority of his supporters).
Dion's bloggers arent necessarily representative of Dion's views on taking other people's hands (nor as I said for that matter from the majority of his supporters).
"Dion's Bloggers" aren't the ones trying to silence dissent. I have no idea who is. I for one think that Antonio's views on Dion are uncharitable, and would hope that now that the emotion of the leadership race is over, he might be more able to see Dion's strong points. That said, I would think it was absurd if he just changed his mind on how the Liberal party ought to approach the Quebec issue overnight. Frankly though, I think that the recent motion shows that Dion isn't the hard line type that his opponents make him out to be. Kennedy took a much harder line.
Oh boohoo! Iggy lost and I am going to sulk like a little brat.
Quit your goddman whining and get out there and support Dion like the rest of us will.
see what I mean... rob
I am supporting Dion, never said I was not going to.
but I am a sulking little brat for saying Dion should listen.
I never accused the Dion bloggers of being the ones behind this either
once again, people expect me to be confrontational and resistant but I am far from it.
I will rally to the leader. I just have the caveat that he will have to listen.
I am comforted by the way Dio has reacted to his new title. However, 10 years of stubborness will not o away overnight.
Like i said in my previous post "he cannot afford to be stubborn, and neither can we"
Stop saying this is disloyal and take it for what it is, someone willing to rally together.
antonio, when i said you should consider respecting dion, i didnt think you had to go as far as calling him god (see previous comment where you spell his name Dio).
also, dont worry about trogdor. he may be a man, or a dragon man, or maybe just a dragon, but he is still trogdor, the burninator. he is just trying to burninate you. little does he know you once resided in BURNABY, the capital of all burnination.
also, the booze might be free, dollard liberal, but the women might find ddo to be kind of a turnoff.
Tous d'ensemble. As you may recall Antonio, Dion held a luncheon with all the leadership candidates and asked them for their views. He has made it clear that while he wants to implement his vision, he is also open to the views of others. In other words, we are going to be a team again, just like in 1993 and 2000. Ignatieff will be a major part of that. I, as a Dionista, will look forward of the work that Ignatieff will do in Cabinet (Hopefully in Foreign Affairs or International Trade where he can rewrite our Canadian foreign policy vision for the next fourty years). Ignatieff gave a classy consession speech and I think that we should all follow his example. With Dion, Kennedy, Ignatieff, and Rae leading the way, we will be unstoppable. I hope that we all can be a part of that.
Scott Blurton
BC Undecided
Antonio
Is this your attempt to position yourself as the thorn in the side of Dion as Kinsella was to Martin?
I think you'll have a hard time with that approach (and some competition based on what I've read from other Iggy supporters have blogged).
Dion won. He's the leader of our party. I will support him.
Dion will always be underestimated because of how he looks and talks. He'll be viewed as an underdog against Harper. Canadians, Chretien demonstrated time and time again, love the underdog -- especially one who's self-deprecating and unassuming. In that, I think he's got a bit of Chretien in him.
Lay off the poor guy. He was a hardcore alcoholic drinking Iggy's spiked Kool-Aid. It must have been tough to see the Emperor wan't actually wearing any clothes.
I'm sure, given time, he'll come around and help the Liberal cause and be a dutiful soldier in his local riding.
Oh, my god!
Dion is going for the jackpot. He only needs a minority government to pass social justice and green legislation. But, he’s going for a majority government by forcing voters to choose. When was the last time a government did that?
He’s trying to end-run the separatists by fighting on the basis of bigger issues. Does Antonio approve?
Life is certainly going to be interesting. Now, who was describing him as a ‘bureaucrat‘, ‘wonk’ etc.
Don't worry. I suspect that Stephane will hurt the CPC in Quebec more than Iggy or Rae would have, due to his favourite son status. The rest of Canada? I don't know, we will have to see as time passes.
You are also correct that he needs a new (and specific, not airy-fairy) platform for the party, one heck of a supporting staff and chief aide, and some folks that he can trust implicitly (well ...) in caucus. All the time as he fends off the rolling cannons, of course.
Chief of staff probably isn't anyone who helped him get where he is now.
I wish him well. As a small-c conservative, I want to see healthy competition for Mr. Harper, given that I would NEVER vote for the NDP (or Green with current leader/status).
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You know, I supported Iggy and stuck with him all the way. I now support our new leader - without question.
One thing really picked my (Jack Layton) this weekend: hearing some sh!thead or another comment about "Iggy Koolaid". These insulting comments - repeated many a time by people dressed identically in green - were really annoying. Saying something like that insinuates that 45% of the delegates at the convention did not know (or were too stupid to know) who they were supporting or why. Thats a pretty good way to drive a wedge between true Liberals.
We need to stick together, and comments like that (basically akin to saying we were all on drugs) are not exactly what create party unity.
Tous ensemble.
And if I said before that Dion would win back lost seats in Quebec, and then agreed with you, I'd be lying.
Martin lost what Chretien regained after the Clarity Act by appeasing separatists.
At the very least, Dion will hold what he has, and win back Ahuntsic, Jeanne LeBer, Papineau,Gatineau, Pontiac (bye bye "loose" Cannon) Brome Missisquoi, Brossard LaPrairie & Vaudreuil Soulanges. That's at minimum. I can think of a dozen others where there's a reasonable shot, such as Alfred Pellan, Comptin-Stanstead, Shefford, Salaberry-Beauharnois, Argenteuil, Abitibit-baie James Nunavik-Eeaou, and Chicoutimi-Le Fjord, for starters. Duceppe has met his match, intelelctually, and you will also see that Dion's Dogged determination will play as strong a role as his intellect.
Smok Wawelski, who predicted a Dion win as far back as September 2st , has spoken! http://smokwawelski.blogspot.com
Antonio, I know how disappointed you were to see your guy lose. When we spoke in the hallway before the results were made public, you seemed pretty convinced Michael would not take it. I found your objectivity to be refreshing and candid. My suggestion to all members of LPCQ is to channel what the most excellent Rt. Hon. JC brought into the room on Saturday: a real desire to WIN! weèll go from there.
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