February 28, 2007

PQ Candidate: «French Canadians » must die in order to achieve sovereignty

Many people know how nasty this election campaign is going to get. We expect there to be name-calling and political gamesmanship, but it didn’t take long before somebody said something really stupid. It was revealed to me that a PQ candidate in Montreal had written on a forum that old people who are attached to Canada needed to die in order to attain sovereignty.

“car il n'y aura plus la génération de "canadien-français" qui ont un attachement très profond envers le Canada.”

The PQ always goes to such great lengths to make us forget the controversial closed-minded statements they tend to make. We all remember the comments directed at minorities in the aftermath of the 1995 referendum. Je me souviens M. Parizeau.

This time it’s not the money and the ethnic vote that’s making the Yes forces lose, its old people that are too attached to Canada.

The real story (in my opinion) is Pierre-Philippe Emond calls these people French-Canadian to distinguish them from the normal separatist folk. I really think that insinuating federalists are less Quebecers because they believe this federation works is a little over the top.

I would like André Boisclair to answer two very important questions.

First, does he agree with his candidate that the only way a yes vote will be achieved is by the death of our older, wiser generation of Quebecers?

Furthermore, I would like to know if André Boisclair believes that federalists are any less Quebecois because they believe in a united Canada.

I hope after the next referendum, the PQ has enough decency to stop looking for a scapegoat and blame their own stupidity for a change.

20 Commentaires:

Blogger brem a dit...

This time, it's not the old "canadien-français" who are the enemies of the PQ, it's the PQ members themselves who don't want to elect their leader as Premier. Some people have a problem with the fact he's an ex(?)-cokehead.

Furthermore, there is this wave of 18-35 year old people in the Quebec City region who couldn't give a damn about sepratation. What they want is more economic leverage.

Of course, we all knew that before the campaign, but the politicians are usually blind to these facts. :)

2/28/2007 4:13 p.m.  
Blogger brem a dit...

Oh, and BTW, Stephane Dion is being cocky.

2/28/2007 4:13 p.m.  
Blogger brem a dit...

the url is wrong, here it is again:


2/28/2007 4:14 p.m.  
Blogger Antonio a dit...

I was gonna get into that brem...but this is far worse

2/28/2007 4:18 p.m.  
Blogger s.b. a dit...

Dion is right. I could vote in Quebec. I might even join the Provincial Liberals to help get rid of Charest. However, I'm not sure if I'll even vote in this election. I can't really bring myself to vote for the provincial Liberals because they are completely full of shit on provincal/federal finances and led by a Conservative. I don't think I could vote PQ and ADQ is too right wing. Green??? maybe but supporting a one issue party seems so useless. I think I just won't vote.

2/28/2007 4:59 p.m.  
Blogger s.b. a dit...

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2/28/2007 5:10 p.m.  
Blogger s.b. a dit...

You know Charest argueing bullshit that somehow Quebec is hard done by, by the rest of Canada helps seperatist arguements and is bringing Quebec to the brink of economic instability. Quebec neeeds to deal with the fact that it spends too much per person on social programs, education and health. If Charest would stand up and be honest about the numbers he would take a arguement away from the BLOQ and the PQ instead of agreeing with them. Quebec is responsible for its own deficit, not anyone else. Charest is wrong and both he and Harper play danerously into seperatist hands and a never ending stream of money to Quebec for unaffordable social programs. Dion is right.

2/28/2007 5:11 p.m.  
Blogger Samuel Lavoie a dit...

More than ever, you get the feeling around separatist circles, that a francophone living in Québec who happens to be a proud federalist is, indeed, a lesser Québécois. Actually, lesser Québécois are those who show such disrespect in regards to others’opinions. And if you can not convinced them? Well just wait until they die. Sad.

Encore une fois, l'on retrouve l'aspect jusqu'au-boutiste des indépendantistes, ces pulsions obscurantistes qui deviennent de plus en plus ennuyantes pour l’électorat québécois. Cette élection-ci plus que jamais, l'on doit se questionner sur les motivations péquistes, à savoir s'ils souhaitent la souveraineté parce qu'ils considèrent que cette option est la meilleure chose pour le Québec (ce qui, par ailleurs, n’est pas le cas), ou simplement pour satisfaire leur ardent désir de vaincre les fédéralistes. Bien entendu, leur incapacité à élaborer un quelconque projet de société ou un budget détaillé pour l'an 1 nous poussent à considérer la seconde option. Parizeau avait cloué au pilori les immigrants en 1995. Cet obscur candidat s'en prend désormais aux aînés. Bien entendu, tradition manichéenne oblige, au lieu de convaincre les aînés de l'hypothétique bien fondé de leur projet, pourquoi ne pas tout simplement attendre leur mort ? Dire que le seul obstacle à l’indépendance québécoise demeure la mort de mes grands-parents, leurs frères et sœurs et leurs amis… Quelle farce ! Cette opinion fallacieuse et dangereuse, telle qu'émise par un candidat officiel, n'a point raison d'être. Par ailleurs, peut-être devrait-il noter que le poids démographique laissé par cette génération sera comblé par d'autres générations qui comprennent moult néo-canadiens. Et, quoiqu'en disent les péquistes, ces derniers, tout comme la génération de mes grands-parents qui ont commis le crime (!) de s’attacher à leur identité canadienne, demeurent profondément sceptiques, voire même hostiles, face au projet séparatiste.

Samuel Lavoie
vice-président politiques/policy
Jeunes Libéraux du Canada/Young Liberals of Canada

2/28/2007 5:56 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous a dit...

Good pickup by Alex!
Let's see if it's pickup by La Presse.

2/28/2007 6:13 p.m.  
Blogger bigcitylib a dit...

Latest poll has Libs at 32% and ADQ at 30%. PQ is at 25%.

Minorityish, maybe?

Isn't the guys comment demographically accurate though? Aren't younger Que. voters more sov. inclined. I've heard academics express similar sentiments, I think.

2/28/2007 6:15 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous a dit...


You can also vote Quebec Solidaire.

2/28/2007 6:17 p.m.  
Blogger Chuckercanuck a dit...

Rock on, Antonio - amazing catch.

The stupidest thing about that is that:

the older people get the less inclined they are to revolutionize life. the idea that boomers are going to be raging separatists when their pensions are on the line is poppy-cock.

old people will always, regardless of what generation they come from, vote disproportionately against separatism.

2/28/2007 7:43 p.m.  
Blogger cat mutant a dit...

Quebecers that actually think that only separatists are true Quebecois are pathetic.

Je me souviens... I remember Parizeau's "vote ethnique" remark, and all the losers in the crowd cheering him.

Since when does being a non-francophone make you any less Quebecois??? Since when does being a federalist make you any less Quebecois???

The PQ and hard-line separatists are loosing it.

Shoshana, many people vote for the PLQ, because its the lesser of many evils... who wants the PQ to get in power?

2/28/2007 7:47 p.m.  
Blogger cat mutant a dit...

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2/28/2007 7:47 p.m.  
Blogger Philippe Legault a dit...

Très bon travail Antonio!

2/28/2007 7:56 p.m.  
Blogger Jason Bo Green a dit...

Perhaps I'm just cynical about the PQ's schtick, but I found Dion's comments to be the big news of the day. Supporting the ADQ??? Against the Liberals??

I guess I'm just very used to ridiculous and dangerous statements from the PQ - while the quote Antonio provides is certainly wrong-headed, it's just no surprise to me. Dion supporting the ADQ is a head-turner, though.

2/28/2007 8:24 p.m.  
Blogger Jason Bo Green a dit...

What the heck is with Dion??? I was so keen when he won - I've really questioned that sentiment lately.

2/28/2007 8:26 p.m.  
Blogger Down & Out in L A a dit...

Politics is about alliances.

Clearly Charest is aligned with Stephen Harper so there is no future there for Dion.

Supporting the ADQ and Dumont is really his only option if he is to participate from the sidelines.

3/01/2007 8:26 a.m.  
Blogger Jacques Quenouilles and friends a dit...

very good find antonio.

3/01/2007 3:49 p.m.  
Blogger Laukev7 a dit...

Notwithstanding the hypocritical political correctness underlying the hysteria over a forum comment, the fact is that someone who gives loyalty primarily to the federal government of Canada and considers Quebec a province, and therefore second, cannot have his patriotism judged at the same level as a person whose loyalty lies with Quebec first.

Maybe you think it's nice and well for all people born in Quebec to be equally Québécois. That logic only stands until you consider the fact that not all people who identify themselves as Québécois were born in Quebec. Ironically, the intended political correctness of your territorialist definition of citizenship suddenly turns into the very same kind of parochialism you falsely accuse sovereigntists of engaging in.

Sadly for the people who still cling to Canada despite the lack of real Canadian identity amongst the majority of Quebecers, being born in Quebec and speaking French are not the sole criteria for being a Québécois. The civic notion of citizenship, which prevails, at least amongst educated people, in most of the western world (Quebec included), as opposed to ethnic citizenship, entails that belonging to a society is determined by loyalty rather than by blood or land. That means that anyone who feels Québécois in his heart and advances primarily the interests of Quebec is a Québécois, regardless of whether he has Italian parents or immigrated from Morocco.

When it comes to people who have too many lingering feelings towards Canada to make a sacrifice in favour of the ideals of the new Republic, or people whose arguments against Quebec sovereignty are based on worries over the future of the Canadian confederation, then there is good reason to question their degree of loyalty towards Quebec.

It is not an insult to say that certain people are more Canadian than they are Québécois. It simply means that their loyalties lie more with Canada than they lie with Quebec. There is nothing hateful in stating that fact, and anyone who implies that this comparison underlies a relationship of inferiority attaches a sentiment of racism to the Québécois that does not exist.

Nor is there anything morally wrong with looking forward to the fresh ideas of a new generation. It is inevitable that old ideas will die along with their proponents. Until scientific advances bring us immortality, this is a fact of life that is and will continue to be accepted, even hoped for, by any sensible eldery person.

In a country ruled by a monarchy, people aspiring to liberalism and republican democracy will look forward to the day that the old monarchists who hold back social progress become part of the pages of history. They will be perfectly justified in looking forward to a new generation more open to those ideas, and will likely see the monarchists as outdated in their ideas. However, this does not mean that the liberals will consider the monarchists inferior human beings.

Francophones who wish to remain loyal to the Canadian confederation have every right to do so. But they should be honest to themselves about their loyalties. Just because he is born in Quebec does not mean he is loyal first to Quebec, or should identify himself as a Québécois. As for those who will inevitably protest and claim to be both federalist and advancing the interests of Quebec first, they expose themselves and Quebec to the longstanding criticism of promoting disunity in the confederation and demanding special status over the other provinces.

From a proud bilingual Québécois turned sovereigntist and remaining proud of his English Canadian roots, posted at the suggestion of a fellow blogger.

3/02/2007 12:47 a.m.  

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