February 15, 2006

Ignatieff Right on the Money

"We should appeal to the best in Canadians and not the worst."

I know that is not rocket science but you would expect FPMPM and Co. could have taken a hint or two. Canada is the best country in the world. The Liberals had done so much good for this country. Yet we still went over the top and insulted the military, our greatest ally and largest trading partner, and the intelligence of the Canadian electorate.

"Our campaign ads were a disgrace, an insult to the intelligence of the Canadian voter. We went negative and we had no business doing that. We can't do that again.”

Rick Mercer said it best when he said the Canadian population will take a lot from its politicians but if you treat them like idiots, they will make you the idiot. That’s why this Emerson fiasco will make Harper pay more than he thinks.

The Liberal Party has brought Canada the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, Medicare (sorry NDP, but you have to be in government to actually pass things), and now child care. They offered the largest contribution to the social safety net in a generation, and we undermined ourselves by insulting the intelligence of Canadians, telling stay-at-home parents we didn’t trust them with their own money or their own children. We should remind Canadians why they supported us all these years, because once it comes back to them, Harper doesn’t stand a chance.

33 Commentaires:

Anonymous Janet a dit...

Finally Antonio, something I can agree with you on.

I hope to God Ignatieff will become the next leader. I can't even begin to say how much I love the guy. He's cerebral, articulate, handsome, wise, intuitive, and progressive in his ideas.

During the last two years, I haven't been active with the federal Liberals because it's as though I've been forced into the Martin camp - if I wanted to be heard, respected, or get anywhere in the party d(especially being from BC).

Publiceyeonline posted some good couple of comments yesterday on how uninviting the Liberal Party has been in recent times because Paul Martin had complete control of the party. Those new to the party were forced into two groups: either you were a Martinite or an anti-Martinite. Out in BC, there is definitely that pressure.

Ignatieff is great because he's fresh blood, he's not tied to Chretien or Martin, and he's full of NEW ideas! How refreshing.

2/15/2006 10:21 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous a dit...

Ignatieff supported the war in Iraq, is against equalization payments for Atlantic Canada and is out of touch with Canadians. He needs to sit in the House for a while before the party should even consider taking a chance on him.

I wish him the best of luck as an MP but the man is clearly not ready for prime time, not yet anyways.

2/15/2006 10:31 AM  
Blogger Antonio a dit...

People always say the same thing about Iggy and Iraq, he supported getting rid of the despot, something he has been supporting for the past 30 years.

The Americans fucked up, more than anybody, even the biggest doubters, could have even imagined. Hindsight is 20/20. After the success of Kosovo and Afghanistan, nobody thought the American Army could do THAT much screwing up. His position was that of a private citizen, not a sitting MP with constituents.

I am not endorsing his candidacy for leadership at this time, but I wont tolerate smearing of potential candidates on this blog.

And if you are going to smear, at leat identify yourself.

2/15/2006 10:44 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous a dit...

I did not smear, I believe that he has the potential to be a great MP, he's just not at the point where he can run for leadership. There are way too many question marks regarding his beliefs. I am glad he ran, I am thrilled that he won his seat, but to quote Ricky Ricardo, Iggy has got "some 'splainin' to do". He should be patient and be the best MP he can be and let time heal the wounds of the controversy that surrounds him. Explaining his views now looks very opportunistic and solely focused on the leadership. However, if he doesn't run, he will have much more credibility in explaining what he has said and written as well as give him enough time not to be dogged down by his "controversial" nomination meeting.

2/15/2006 10:59 AM  
Anonymous beenCounter a dit...

Read the next face manifesto and tell me if there is a better choice than Ignatieff right now. No way. He is the best among us. He is not not afraid to speak his mind.

2/15/2006 11:01 AM  
Blogger Antonio a dit...

Basiclly you just said he shouldnt stop people from lying about what he said and assume people wont listen to the smearjobs people are attempting.

You sure you are not on Stephen Harper's communication team?

2/15/2006 11:05 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous a dit...

That is not what I said. I said that some pretty wacky stuff has been attributed to Iggy. Iggy was not an MP until recently. If he goes for the leadership, I worry that people will not by his explanation, as it will look like he is just saying what he has to to become leader of the Liberal Party. If he sits this leadership out, which wouldn't be rediculous considering he is a rookie MP, he will be able to explain himself with more credibility.
I want to know from him if he was Prime Minister instead of Jean Chretien would Canadian troops be in Iraq right now. As long as he is musing about a leadership run, I don't truly think Canadians can expect an honest answer to that question.

I am glad that McKenna is no longer running for the leadership. McKenna's views on abortion and his association with the Carslyle Group made him off limits for the liberal leadership. He also has a lot 'splainin' to do. In my humble opinion, Ignatieff would be best to distinguish himself as a great opposition MP before he even starts to muse about the leadership.

2/15/2006 11:23 AM  
Blogger Antonio a dit...

Ignatieff's position has been clear his whole career, and thats why he stands by his belief to support the war.

As for the question whether or not he would have sent troops, he already said it is not likely as he would have had the mass majority of his constituents against his position. At the time of his supporting the war, he was doing so as an academic and private citizen, it is a different story when you have to send the troops over.

2/15/2006 11:31 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous a dit...

See that bothers me as well. If he has convictions, why wouldn't he follow through on them as an MP? That is tantamount to what some so-con Liberals have said about same-sex marriage. The "I believe in the Charter of Rights but my consistuents don't, so I am voting against C-38" doesn't fly just as the "I did the war in Iraq but if my constituents didn't then I wouldn't have sent troops" is also ludicrous. I hate politicians who govern by popularity polls, take a stand and deal with it. Ignatieff has to "deal" with his support of the war in Iraq just as Derrick Lee has to "deal" with his failure to support equal marriage.

2/15/2006 11:33 AM  
Blogger MPM a dit...

I agree the Liberal campaign should have been more positive. The best ads I've seen in any campaign were the ones of just Paul Martin speaking to the camera. The 60-second one he did during the last week was easily the best ad I've ever seen. We should have done more of that during the first half of the campaign too so Canadians could have realized what exactly they had in Paul Martin, and the Party.

Hindsight is 20/20 so it's easy to criticize now. Obviously there were some BIG blunders but I certainly would not have wanted to be making the decisions in the war-room on a communications strategy facing a media that absolutely wanted to destroy the Liberals at any cost.

There are no easy lessons or any one easy answer. It's a whole variety of factors. If there is one thing that I am comfortable saying after watching the whole Martin era (1988-Present) is that between the clash of these two notions: 1) You dance with the one that brung ya; and 2) The people that get you to power are not the people who keep you in power -- the latter trumps the former.

Now, regarding Ignatieff. Yes he is a smart guy -- all academics are. Yes he has ideas -- most politicians do. But for him to publicly judge the Liberal Party, rightly or wrongly, is a little rich. This guy hasn't even been in the Country for more than a few months, let alone enough time to truly know the dynamics of the Party and how to rejuvenate it. Heck, any political neophyte (or 11 year old child), could come out and say, "The Liberal Party is divided and we need to come together and be positive". Duh.

Does this qualify him to be leader? Of course not.

The benefit of a wide-open leadership is that every candidate has to prove himself/herself every step of the way. Every candidate should be scrutinized and asked very tough questions. This is what separates the contenders from the pretenders and creates leaders. At this point Ignatieff hasn't done that. Tough questions need to be asked about whether a guy who has chosen to live outside Canada for his entire working life could or should truly represent Canadians. Personally, I am skeptical, but I guess that's what a leadership race is all about.

2/15/2006 11:53 AM  
Anonymous janet a dit...

MPM,

Ignateiff is a brilliant man.

The reason, I think, why he went around criticizing the Liberal campaign is because there are so many discouraged people and they are looking for someone to lead them out of this "hole" so to speak.

Ignateiff is trying to distinguish himself and attract those people. He's building himself a following.

I for one am one of those frustrated members and he's looking pretty darn good to me now.

And easy Antonio, I don't think annonymous was smearing Iggy. Discussion and criticism is vitally important at this point when we are looking for a leader, that is of course we remain respectful.

2/15/2006 1:44 PM  
Blogger MPM a dit...

janet:

I hear your point.

I am, like many other Liberals, thirsty for leadership -- REAL leadership.

Ignatieff is talking the talk, but it doesn't mean he's genuine about it, nor does it mean he can walk the walk.

Right now, it's just words. Don't buy his hype, or any other candidates hype. Make him, and all others, work for your vote. Words are not good enough, particularly if they are empty.

2/15/2006 3:33 PM  
Blogger James Bowie a dit...

He's exactly right. The campaign didn't work. I'm glad he won't snort the party line.

I might start to like him if he continues like this.

2/15/2006 5:01 PM  
Anonymous Janis a dit...

Ignatieff is definitely a controversial choice for leadership as evident by the comments on this blog and other blogs. I think we need to wait until all the contenders declare and then we can make some real evaluations.
For example, Gerard Kennedy is a probable candidate and he would make an outstanding leader of the Liberal party. He has 10 years of government experience including a demanding ministerial portfolio in the largest province in Canada. He has national appeal, as an easterner and a westerner as he grew up and was educated in Western Canada. He is a fresh face with no ties to the previous Chretien and Martin governments. He has charisma, intelligence, dynamic policy ideas and the common touch. I am sure Gerard Kennedy and the other candidates yet to declare will make some very inspiring speeches. Ignatieff just happens to be making a speech circuit right now. It is still very early. Stay tuned.

2/15/2006 5:52 PM  
Anonymous The Board a dit...

The Campaign Worked.

Canadians Just Let Us and Paul down.

It's the voters fault.

Not ours.

:(

2/15/2006 8:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous a dit...

Another baby bonus paid directly to parents is not child care. Good grief learn about a subject before you comment on it.

2/16/2006 12:40 AM  
Blogger Antonio a dit...

I dont know where somebody got the impression I was against the child care program, but the not trusting parents with their kids or their money was a reference to the effect of the beer and popcorn comment.

2/16/2006 11:21 AM  
Blogger MPM a dit...

Ignatieff hasn't even lived here for decades. How can he truly be a leader? He's going to have to be awfully impressive in order to overcome that.

But I'll keep an open mind to all contenders.

2/16/2006 12:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous a dit...

For Ignattief to suggest that voters prefer positive ads over negative ads in a campaign would be like suggesting that the art magazines would sell better than porn.

it is a ridiculous statement on his part. He should go back to talking about his ideas, and leave advertising to others.

2/16/2006 8:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous a dit...

GO IGNATIEFF!!!!!!!!!

2/18/2006 11:58 PM  
Anonymous Bob a dit...

I hope you will all consider new blood isn't particularly good blood..especially when the Liberal party due to Paul Martin has taken us right into Progressive Conservative playground meaning as it is right now our party is a Right of centre party is that where we want to be? Maybe before we choose a leader we should be finding out who we are!and where do we want to go! You've all been talking about Ignatieff and McKenna etc. Look at Martha Hall Findlay - young intelligent perfectly bilingual a lawyer and she almost beat Belinda in the 2004 election. A point if I may she beat Belinda on election day - she lost by 689 votes in the advance polls by people who weren't around to give har a better listen to. Maybe you should. Bob

2/19/2006 8:28 PM  
Anonymous Bob a dit...

I hope you will all consider new blood isn't particularly good blood..especially when the Liberal party due to Paul Martin has taken us right into Progressive Conservative playground meaning as it is right now our party is a Right of centre party is that where we want to be? Maybe before we choose a leader we should be finding out who we are!and where do we want to go! You've all been talking about Ignatieff and McKenna etc. Look at Martha Hall Findlay - young intelligent perfectly bilingual a lawyer and she almost beat Belinda in the 2004 election. A point if I may she beat Belinda on election day - she lost by 689 votes in the advance polls by people who weren't around to give har a better listen to. Maybe you should. Bob

2/19/2006 8:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous a dit...

www.DraftIgnatieff.org

We NEED this guy in.

2/20/2006 3:32 PM  
Blogger MPM a dit...

Bob,

Couple problems with Martha Hall Findlay.

a) no name recognition outside her riding;

b) you're talking about two elections ago! And she LOST. Lots of Liberals won e-day in 2004 but lost advance polls. It's not uncommon.

I'd encourage her to run because the more debate, the better. Her shot at winning? Slim to none.

2/20/2006 3:59 PM  
Blogger Budd Campbell a dit...

You have to be in government to pass things. You people are so incredibly cheesy! Liberal Arrogance is the name of the game, alright.

2/20/2006 4:40 PM  
Anonymous Bob a dit...

MPM I realize she won't win all I said was to take a look at her.
Ignatief has been out of the country 30 years he won in Etobicoke Centre where a newborn baby would win if it had a Liberal Tattoo. Comparing that to Martha it's even up for me - right now should either win - no. CAuse some excitement talk Justin Trudeau to run.. too young too bad. Where is this party going ?

2/20/2006 6:01 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous a dit...

Antonio, I guess Bill Graham doesn't share your affinity for Mr. Ignatieff. He seemed to have gotten the shaft in the shadow cabinet. That's got be a hard hit on Iggy's eg.

2/23/2006 11:43 AM  
Blogger James Curran a dit...

Iggy is the real deal. He is the only leadership candidate that I know of that is currently engaging in talks with the every day Liberal. The rest are seeing what power players they can bring to the table. Iggy is touring the country talking to the little people. The people that should be making a difference in this party.

Bob, Martha is a fresh young female voice. She is also bitter over the Belinda thing. My understanding is some of those close to her are trying to talk her out of this.

Just last November she was wanting to win as VP is charge of Policy for the LPC(O). It seems that she just wants to be involved regardless of position. VP of Policy to Leader?

Again, as I have blogged for a long time now. 2 outstanding candidates listening to every day Canadians - Iggy and the goalie.

The What Do I Know Grit.

2/26/2006 12:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous a dit...

Iggy listening to the "little people"???? Give me a break. How arrogant. Just because he is making speeches at this time does make him the candidate that connects with everyday Canadians. Far from it. The total package candidates are yet to declare and make speeches. Iggy continues to be a non-starter for many Liberals.

2/26/2006 3:38 PM  
Blogger James Curran a dit...

Yeah, yeah. Whatever Mr. Anonymous. Iggy is not just making speeches bird. He's sitting at kitchen tables, diners, restaurants, coffee houses. He's LISTENING.

Come back and participate when you're brave enought to identify yourself.

The What DO I Know Grit.

2/26/2006 11:14 PM  
Anonymous Bob a dit...

To James Curran, it seems you runaround in true fantasy, the BS you put out about Martha and the pure BS you indulge in with Ignatieff are you trying to get a job with him or what?
As I've inducated earlier I do not believe that MHF will win and I don't think REAL Liberals are going to get sandbagged or hood winked by someone like Yecchhy (Iggy).He's still dreamin about the Trudean era we're past that and Canadians don't want somrbody else who's a wanna be like Harper.
Someone will step up and make sense to everyone it's not time yet. Bob

2/27/2006 12:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous a dit...

You have to be in government to pass things. You people are so incredibly cheesy! Liberal Arrogance is the name of the game, alrigh

I totally agree, nothing gets me more partisan and wanting to see the Liberals crushed to a pulp then when they pipe up with this arrogant bs about how its all the NDP's fault for Canadians getting sick of Liberal lies and hypochrisy or how a Liberal minority government's accomplishments (which as the original post points out are usually far more impressive than when they have a majority) are soley theirs to brag about even though it was pressure from the NDP that got it implemented. Keep the arrogance up Libs, your gonna have lots of time out of power with that attitude.

3/01/2006 7:55 PM  
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