December 20, 2006

So-Called Mock Outrage (now with admission of error)

I wonder sometimes if I am blatantly partisan. I have been around my fair share of politicians and political stunts (also causing some of my own) and I wonder why some people feel the need to try and create something out of nothing.

So-called greenhouse gases

Yes, oh my! Shock! Awe!

Why is this not an issue? Because he is right. They are so-called greenhouse gases. They are so-called because of the effect the carbon has in the atmosphere, creating a type of greenhouse for the hot air. The real name for them is CFCs or something of the sort. I prefer to call them greenhouse gases. That is what Harper meant Jason. Watch it over and over again, see what you want to see for Liberal gain, but he believes the science, and it is reflected, albeit badly, in the Clean Air Act.

While we whine about harper saying greenhouse gases, we are gonna have to hear about the so-called Liberal record on cutting greenhouse gases...

So instead of inventing conspiracy theories and accusing Harper of ridiculous things, let’s focus on what he actually is doing wrong. There is plenty to work with. We have to focus on what we did well...

Update: Apparently, I have an issue with my grade 8 Science teacher and the definiton of greenhouse gases. I admit my error.

Secondly, to those like Werner Patels, who believe I do not know how to speak English, if 18 years of English school havent changed that, then I guess I will never speak English as well as Stephane Dion.

I do however dare anyone to pit Harper's so-called controversial comment to our so-called record on greenhouse gases as a government. It won't be pretty. The 2007 issue will be the economy. We know the economy. We did that well!

21 Commentaires:

Blogger Jason Townsend a dit...

This was also my interpretation of the quote.

But: let this be known; had a Liberal said it, the Conservatives would not hesitate to bring it up months later when the context is faded. If, in a year's time, someone brought up 'that time soandso called them so-called greenhouse gasses,' the denial wouldn't matter as much as the accusation. I'm afraid that's just partisan political algebra, and if we're too good for it, good for us, but we can't expect others to emulate our nobility.

12/20/2006 3:42 p.m.  
Blogger JimTan a dit...


Shouldn't you be attending to your studies? It's embarrassing to watch your efforts as political commentator.

12/20/2006 4:21 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous a dit...

That's not how the term "so-called" works in English.

Note that when I refer to the "so-called" fiscal imbalance, I do so because I think it is a crock. Ditto for Harper and greenhouse gasses.

12/20/2006 5:08 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous a dit...

CFCs are the OZONE killing chemicals.

GHGs are different, and is an appropriate term, but the outrage over it was over done.

Save the outrage for an important issue, or else outrage becomes pointless.

12/20/2006 5:10 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous a dit...

Minor quibble, CFC (chlorofluorocarbons) are different than so-called GHGs.

I used the term 'so-called' because GHGs actually have other names, like: H20 (water), CO2 (carbon dioxide), etc.. but are commonly called GHGs.

American Heritage Dictionary's primary meaning for "so-called" is "commonly". Its secondary meaning is "incorrectly".

Harper's english is fine, as Antonio points out.

12/20/2006 5:30 p.m.  
Blogger greyburr a dit...

While we whine about harper saying greenhouse gases, we are gonna have to hear about the so-called Liberal record on cutting greenhouse gases...

And as a voter it is being duly noted by myself & many other Canadians that perhaps both the LPC & Cons are failing miserably on this issue.Am I correct in saying both Dion & Ambrose have fossil awards & few real accomplishments.In the quest for talking points & power the environment being treated as just another opportunistic hot button campaign issue for votes just might result in a political landscape after the next election that Libs & Cons won't like.I know that I am fed up with both partys & will seriously look at the Greens.Enough of the he said,she said bullsh*t,give the public some concrete policys,not press releases.

12/20/2006 5:34 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous a dit...

so-called record on greenhouse gases as a government

By so-called I assume you mean 'commonly'?


12/20/2006 6:16 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous a dit...

On a side note, Environmentalists love Dion. Only the politicians of other parties and the non-Denise writers of this site run down his record.

And actually, it isn't even all non-Liberal politicians:

"If they try to say he was anything other than a very strong environment minister, they're making it up." ~ Elizabeth May

12/20/2006 6:20 p.m.  
Blogger A BCer in Toronto a dit...

That's not how the term "so-called" works in English.

It depends if you're talking about the sociological or the political definition Rob.

12/20/2006 6:23 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous a dit...

It depends if you're talking about the sociological or the political definition Rob.


Always good for a laugh, Jeff.

12/20/2006 7:03 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous a dit...

You're English is fine, Antonio, but when it's your second language (is it?), then you will invariably run into problems with nuances, as is the case here with "so-called". That's all I meant. No offence intended. I wish I could write French as well as you write in English (but I am constantly working on it and hope to do a bilingual blog at some point in the future).

12/20/2006 7:47 p.m.  
Blogger s.b. a dit...

Antonio with shockingly little knowledge on this subject, you really should be quiet.

CFC's are clorofluorocarbons and removed from refridgeration coolants in the 90's. They are not greenhouse gases which are primarily methane and CO2. That's Carbon Dioxide for the Scientifically challenged such as yourself and Mr. Harper.

The greenhouse nature of CO2 can be PROVEN scientifically beyond a doubt in about 30 minutes with two glass fish tanks regular air and one with added CO2. The tempurature will increase in the tank with CO2 when light is shined on them. Period. End of story.

There is no "so called" and any grade 6 student who pays attention in Science would know that.

Too bad you didn't pay attention in Grade Six Science Antonio.

12/20/2006 8:43 p.m.  
Blogger cat mutant a dit...

CFC and greenhous gases are two different things.

CFC's were predominantly found in refrigeration units, but also spray cans, for instance. These chemicals basically, in simple terms, eat away at the ozone layer. Hence, the hole in the ozone layer at the south pole (and a minor one at the north pole). However, the good news is that the ban was actually evidence of environmentally-sound policy put into action on a global scale. As we can note, the ozone hole is healing (albeit with yearly fluctuations), but this will take 30 years, as most CFC's have a 30 year lifespan before the disipate.

Now greenhouse gases are different. The predominate greenhouse gas is CO2. Basically, the emission of these gases in the atmosphere creates, you guessed it, a greenhouse effect, effectively heating up the planet. The implications are real and occuring throughout the world, despite the objections of money and greed the world over (particularly US, China, Russia, Canada, Australia)... The US, but more sadly, countries with small populations like Canada and Australia pollute an extremely disproportionate amount compared to their populations.

As the Earth heats up, ice melts, making oceans less salty, thus literally fucking up global ocean currents. Remember the movie, The Day After Tomorrow? Well, events life this have occured in the past, albeit taking more time (i.e. 10 years). Not to mention wierd weather like ice-storms, the wind-storms hitting BC and the lack of snow on the East Coast and Europe.

Both the Liberals and the Conservative need to become green. This makes economic sense, as failing to address environment issue for fear of harming the short-term economy will, in the end, harm the long-term economy in an unprecedented manner. Sadly, the Liberals have a pathetic record, and the Conservative don't seem to comprehend the severity of the issue.

Voters need to make the environment an issue and look at the big picture. Ultimately, voters need to start giving a damn about the world their children and grandchildren will inherit.

12/20/2006 9:11 p.m.  
Blogger Antonio a dit...

Lol Andrew

that is why you went into engineering and I went into polisci.

I said I was wrong, but if you really think the average Canadian knws the difference, thats a whole other story.

I could have removed the whole comment, but i took my lumps and left it up.

Doesnt change my overall point tho, which is that stephen Harper calling carbon emissions "so-called" greenhouse gases IS mock outrage, to a tee, and that is why journalists were much smarter than that, and did not make an issue out of thin air...

12/20/2006 10:43 p.m.  
Blogger cat mutant a dit...

Antonio, no worries, I wasn't correcting you personaly, just stating facts.

Also, I thought you'd be particularily interested in this... over the past 100 years, as the human population has exploded, so has the population of domesticated animals such as cows and pigs.

And guess what? According to scientists, these animals are a source of greenhouse gases also! So next time you have prosciutto, think about how that ham has damaged the environment.


12/20/2006 11:41 p.m.  
Blogger Antonio a dit...

So should we do the world a favor and eat more proscuitto?

Or produce less proscuitto in the first place?

That's it, to cut greenhouse gases, we must all become vegans!

12/20/2006 11:50 p.m.  
Blogger cat mutant a dit...

Screw it, I'm eating as much prosciutto as I want.

But, regulating certain human behavior that isn't condusive to helping the environment, such as driving Navigators (banning SUV's) that can power small countries, is an ethical step in the right direction.

12/21/2006 9:37 a.m.  
Blogger Jason Cherniak a dit...

It's relevent because the clip sums up his horrible record in four words from his own mouth. If every Canadian were to see that, I believe it would be a great image for messaging.

12/21/2006 11:47 a.m.  
Blogger PhillyC a dit...

Who is the average Canadian, Antonio?

Are you above the average Canadian?

12/21/2006 12:40 p.m.  
Blogger Jason Townsend a dit...

Look, when I first read the quote on Cherniak, I though "Harper is an idiot, what a line!"

Then I saw the video, and I realized he meant 'so-called' as in 'commonly-called,' ie, the non-pejorative use of this phrase.

Harper is evil; we need to defeat him; but this is a waste of time. He is bad for the environment, but I don't believe we should attack him by misconstruing his words.

12/21/2006 3:04 p.m.  
Blogger WestmountLiberal a dit...

Funny you mention economy for 2007 Antonio.
This is consistent with Dion's press conference in Winnipeg yesterday grace a M Chretien.

12/23/2006 12:32 p.m.  

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