December 16, 2006

At Issue - Alex and Antonio Unplugged

1) Most overrated MP –

Non-Liberal (Antonio) Garth Turner (Halton)

Has the man ever found a microphone he did not speak into?

Non-Liberal (Alex) Maka Kotto (Saint-Lambert)

Making his home-wrecking of Caroline StHilaire’s marriage front-page news

Liberal (Antonio and Alex) Mark Holland (Ajax-Pickering)

Face it! He is our Jason Kenney!

2) Most underrated MP

Liberal (Alex) Pablo Rodriguez (Honore-Mercier) for his dedication to the people in his riding and his real work on the environment

Liberal (Antonio) Belinda Stronach (Newmarket Aurora) for all the shit she gets about her hair, Belinda brought Bill Clinton to Montreal to talk about aid, and is spearheading Spread the Net. Did you all know that? My guess is no. But I bet you do know that Belinda now has brown hair…like I said, under rated.

Non-Liberal (Antonio) Diane Ablonczy (Calgary-Nose Hill) She took her pill, and may soon be rewarded. The Queen of Mean is back on the scene.

Non-Liberal (Alex) Maria Mourani (Ahuntsic) With the work on the Lebanon file on the front pages, Maria has been behind the scenes working the riding very, very hard.

3) Most over-reported story.-

(Alex) Dion Dual Citizenship “Like seriously, who gives a shit?”

(Antonio) Justin Trudeau “Like seriously, who gives a shit?”

4) Sleeper Story – (story with most potential to explode in our face)

(Antonio and Alex) Liberal Record on the Environment…if the issue is the environment, we cannot run on our record.

5) Most over-rated party leader

(Alex) Jack Layton blew his chance at relevance when he elected Stephen Harper in the first place.

(Antonio) Andre Boisclair because 65% approval for doing nothing usually only happens to Mats Sundin.

6) Most under-rated party leader.

(Alex) Bill Graham if not for him, we would have been lost at sea a long time ago.

(Antonio) Elizabeth May With the environment emerging as a key issue, who better to take advantage than the Green Party.

7) Wedge issue for the next election

(Alex) Fiscal Imbalance If the Liberals are in denial while the Tories fix the problem, we may not want to go to the polls…

(Antonio) Quebec Provincial Election if the PLQ wins, advantage Harper, if Boisclair wins advantage Dion.

8) Timing of next election

(Alex and Antonio) Late Spring, Harper will let Charest go first…with the fiscal imbalance agreement in hand.

9) Best example of political opportunism.

(Antonio) Kennedy approving nation but opposing nation resolution.

(Alex) Kennedy approving nation in French but opposing nation in English.

10) Best example of party loyalty

(Alex and Antonio) We may be biased but Tous Ensemble sums it all up for us!

35 Commentaires:

Blogger big gay al's big gay liberal sanctuary a dit...

part loyalty? u said u were going to vote tory cuz of the fiscal imbalance thing... doesn't sound to loyal to me

12/16/2006 9:44 a.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous a dit...

You boys really need to travel outside your province if you think "fiscal imbalance" is going to be a "wedge issue" in the next election. The overwhelming majority doesnt even know what that means.

Kennedy's decision to oppose the nation resolution is conceptually distinct, and not at all inconsistent with believing that Quebec is in fact a nation. I would hope you guys would have a better ability to apprectiate nuance than Karl Rove. As Dion so aptly put it, 'as Prime Minister I will not consume my time counting all the nations within Canada'.

Mark Holland is a damn good MP (and the comparison to Jason Kenney is absolutely ridiculous), Justin Trudeau is an asset to the party and yes... you are biased... incredibly so.

It is fact. Right Antonio?

12/16/2006 12:01 p.m.  
Blogger jill a dit...

Your statements on Kennedy are completely false. But, why should anyone be surprised by your comments? The Conservatives are tanking in Quebec. The "Nation" resolution did nothing for them. As Kennedy put it so wisely in his convention speech, Quebecers wanted to talk about integrity on the doorsteps in the last election, not "Nation".

12/16/2006 12:25 p.m.  
Blogger big gay al's big gay liberal sanctuary a dit...

antonio, you sound more and more like shoshana berman with each post

and that's no compliment

as for your party loyalty, i'd call it more personality obsession, with you constantly preaching how ignatieff is the best thing that ever happened to canada (despite the last 30 years down south)

get over it, no one is a messiah, there hasn't been one in a couple thousand years

12/16/2006 12:34 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous a dit...

I can hear it now "Kennedy defence squad activate".

In any case, isn't it the fiscal balance now anyways?

I think a good policy in the next election would be to say, instead of cutting the GST by another 1%, we are going to transfer the tax point to the provinces to restore the fiscal balance, along with creating a per student post secondary transfer.

Seems easy enough, when the problem isn't defined, we can define any answer we want!

12/16/2006 12:43 p.m.  
Blogger Antonio a dit...

Shoshana, I erased your comment cuz it was slanderous.

I am used to criticism but slandering MPs wont be tolerated on this site.

Kyle, Mark Holland gets outraged over anything.

It's Jason Kenney to a tee.

"Oh I have a secret source...It's secret...oh wait yeah its the newspapers" Thanks Mark

As for the nation flip flop, yeah that will haunt gerard for a while here in Quebec, spin all you want, he did support the nation but not the resolution.

I said the wedge issue will be the Quebec election, but the upcoming fiscal imbalance deal will be "Stephen Harper lends Charest a hand"

If Charest wins, Harper will get brownie points...and PLQ organizers...for us that will change more votes than a flip flop on afghanistan ever could.

Shoshana, do you really trust the voters to distinguish between Dion's record on the environment and the Liberal one?

That is how the NDP will get their votes back, comparing Liberals to the Tories...neither did anything.

Like I said guys just my opinion.

and lastly Big Gay Al, I said if harper solves it and we are still in denial, I will vote Tory. Hopefully we come to our senses soon and realize the cuts we made in 1995 need to be restored...

12/16/2006 1:42 p.m.  
Blogger s.b. a dit...

Pardon me what was slanderous that Rodrigues booed at the Quebec meeting, because there are witnesses to that or that he helped manufacture the Nation fiasco? Please disagreeing with your opinion and stating witnessed fact is not slander get a degree and grow up.

12/16/2006 2:18 p.m.  
Blogger s.b. a dit...

Oh yeah I'll repeat wedge issue you guys have been asleep if you don't know that its Afghanistan and its a good thing we didn't elect Ignatieff.

Also environment again good thing we didn't elect Ignatieff because Dion has his own record on the environment that has been applauded by environmental groups and theinternational communnity unlike Igs who doesn't have a record on anything other than supporting the war in Iraq.

No slander there boys. Try looking it up in a dictionary and getting out of you Iggy must have won I can't really believe its oveer mindset.

12/16/2006 2:22 p.m.  
Blogger s.b. a dit...

Oh yeah tous ensemble is dumb smarmy and cheesy and doesn't play outside Quebec.

Unity/Unite is the same in English and understood by all.

I almost barfed when you guys started repeating tous ensemble back to Igs at convention like at a creepy cultish Church. It was nausiating.

Ooh right you guys have been like a cult all along. And that's not slander either its an opinion shared by many Liberals who didn't want Igs to win.

12/16/2006 2:24 p.m.  
Blogger Antonio a dit...

The slander is gone it'll stay up.

i wont tolerate people accusing others of manipulation or anything else can get you sued if you are wrong.

12/16/2006 2:27 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous a dit...

I don't know about the French media, but in the English media the term "fiscal imbalance" is always preceded by "so-called", because nobody has really defined it (or everybody has) so nobody really believes that it exists. Perhaps in Quebec it will be a wedge issue, but not outside Quebec. And even then, I question how much of an issue it can really be, if the Conservatives are polling at 12% in Quebec.

12/16/2006 2:39 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous a dit...

I really doubt that there will be a flat out transfer of billions - the fiscal hawks would wet themselves and if it goes primarily to Quebec, people will be screaming "Mulroney!" all over again. That being said, there is an arguement to be made that throwing Charest a bone like that is worth it.

That being said, Harper isn't stupid - he knows he can abuse his base to a certain degree (nation, income-trusts, etc.) but another "Bombardier aerospace contract" would be explosive.

12/16/2006 2:43 p.m.  
Blogger cat mutant a dit...

glen, don't slander bombardier

antonio, remove his post


12/16/2006 3:32 p.m.  
Blogger cat mutant a dit...


calm down and take an alka-seltzer

we don't want you getting all riled up and shrily over your wild stories

and update your blog rather than demonize antonio

he's done more PROGRESSIVE work for the party at his young age compared to u

12/16/2006 3:35 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous a dit...

Well Glen, there was the recent $350 milliom annoncement for Pratt & Whitney in Longueuil. Too bad the media didn't ask why it was being announced at the manufacturing plant, when the development centre is in Mississauga and thats where all the jobs will go.

Mark Holland may be an equivalent to Jason Kenney, not that there is anything wrong with that. He is a good loyal shit disturber.

The biggest questions, is why does Calgary and Edmonton continue to boycott Bombardier in the purchase of new transit equipment?

That is sure patriotic Mr. Harper and Mr. 'Alberta is a nation' Stelmac.

12/16/2006 3:44 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous a dit...

Kyle - there's a difference between quietly shoving $350 million and making a major policy plank of your election the fact that you solved the "fiscal imbalance."

Cat Mutant - if anything I was slandering Brian Mulroney...

12/16/2006 3:49 p.m.  
Blogger dollard_liberal a dit...

If that's the case, Dion is hardly the saint that you make him out to be "anybody but iggy" - in fact, I would crassly say that he is just like the rest of the Libs.

What is deliciously ironic is the reality that Dr. Dion is presented as the face of the new rejuvenated Liberal party! While I will not vote Tory in this election or any subsequent one for that matter, I look forward to seeing what kind of success the leader will bring to the party - and I look forward to seeing the Dionistas smug smiles disappearing, for the record.

12/16/2006 8:49 p.m.  
Blogger fidel a dit...

i wonder why bill came. i really do.

12/16/2006 10:06 p.m.  
Blogger anybody but iggy a dit...

DDO Lib-
Not beatifying anyone, just stating facts.
If you cannot get behind the new leader, then go away and vote for whomever you wish.

12/16/2006 11:06 p.m.  
Blogger dollard_liberal a dit...


All for the party. Indifferent to the leader.

12/16/2006 11:37 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous a dit...

Guys - the Tories will not "fix" the fiscal imbalance, because you cannot in relaity solve a problem which exists primarily in within the confines of someone's imagination.

The only possible "fix" will be a GST cut and a note to Charest daring him to tax it back himself. But given the GST cut there's barely any room for even that.

12/16/2006 11:39 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous a dit...

cripes - that was one of my worst spelling efforts in weeks...

12/16/2006 11:39 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous a dit...

Not only is the spelling bad, there's a sentence that makes no sense. Mortifying. Why can't I edit on this damn thing...

the condensed form:

Fiscal imbalance is a crock.
Tories can't fix it.
If they could it'd be a tax cut - then tell premiers to find their own way.
But they can't do that cuz the GST cuts will use up whatever room to move they might have had.

No more posting from me

12/16/2006 11:51 p.m.  
Blogger anybody but iggy a dit...

DDO Lib -
why not do us a favor and rip up your card, if you are so, "indifferent"?.
You cannot be FOR the party if you are not for the leader.

12/16/2006 11:59 p.m.  
Blogger cat mutant a dit...

anybody but iggy

You are hardly in the position to talk about progressiveness. You're constant juvenile mad-woman attacks (Shoshana this is your cue to accuse me of being sexist) really paint you as a nut-job. I really don't see how you contribute positively to the party. Maybe shedding light on the mentally-unstable, but other than that...

But, your comments are always good for a laugh, I'll give you that.

12/17/2006 12:19 a.m.  
Blogger fidel a dit...

fiscal imbalance 101:

12/17/2006 12:21 a.m.  
Blogger dollard_liberal a dit...

Let's have a show of hands everyone, just asking how many of us supported Paul Martin during his brief tenure as leader.

His first election, I voted NDP because I didn't want to give Patry my vote.

Second election, I voted Liberal because I had spent some time volunteering for the party and having gone to many political rallies, I felt close to the party.

I never had much liking for Mr. Martin, I didn't like the fact that he was crowned in Toronto at the previous convention. But I still voted Liberal the second time around and I got my membership immediately after the Jan 2006 election.

Sorry ABI, I'm not going to rip up my card because I don't fit into your narrow definition of party membership equaling (unrestricted) support for the leader. Dr. Dion will have to earn my support, not just because the Kennedy kids ran over to him. I'm just saying that I remain to be impressed - and there are thousands of Canadians just like me that are in need of such convincing.

12/17/2006 12:23 a.m.  
Blogger big gay al's big gay liberal sanctuary a dit...

shoshana = anybody but iggy

get a life!!!

12/17/2006 10:29 a.m.  
Blogger calgarygrit a dit...

Oh yeah, Garth Turner should have been my vote for most overated MP.

12/17/2006 12:23 p.m.  
Blogger anybody but iggy a dit...

Shoshana has her own blog, this ain't it.
Keep trying, folks.

12/17/2006 12:52 p.m.  
Blogger cat mutant a dit...

anybody but iggy

You are hardly in the position to talk about progressiveness. You're constant juvenile mad-woman attacks (Shoshana this is your cue to accuse me of being sexist) really paint you as a nut-job. I really don't see how you contribute positively to the party. Maybe shedding light on the mentally-unstable, but other than that...

But, your comments are always good for a laugh, I'll give you that.

12/17/2006 2:02 p.m.  
Blogger anybody but iggy a dit...

Why do you assume ABI is one person, or more specifically, a woman?

12/17/2006 10:11 p.m.  
Blogger anybody but iggy a dit...

Same goes for CM.

12/17/2006 10:12 p.m.  
Blogger cat mutant a dit...

anybody but iggy

you're more than one person? now these "other" people, do you only hear them in your head, or do you see them as well?

12/17/2006 10:59 p.m.  
Blogger Alex Plante a dit...

Dion was a Cabinet member in the liberal government that didn't deliver on the environment.

He came up with a wonderful plan a few months before the government was defeated. Why did we take so long ? A plan is good but a track record is much better.

The point is that we didn't get it done and the Tories will make sure the Canadians know that. It's already in my local paper, the Conservative is hammering on the liberal track record on the environment and the numbers speak for themselves. The Party chose a single-topic leader and we are about to get fucked on this topic. If Harper appoints a popular figure like Lawrence Cannon as Minister of the Environment, ouch...

latest poll (ipsos) puts us at 38-36. We went from a 10-points lead to a statistical tie in 2 weeks. What goes up really fast goes down really fast.


12/19/2006 1:59 a.m.  

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