December 9, 2006

Liberals Lose a Great Federalist

It has come to my attention that Liza Frulla will not attempt to re-capture her seat in Jeanne Le Ber in the upcoming election.

Liza will always be a mainstay in the Quebec federalist establishment, having co-chaired the No Committee in the last referendum. Her passion is unparalleled. Her dedication is without question. The respect we Quebec Liberals have for her is immense.

Does this have to do with the election of Stephane Dion? No comment!

Liza comes from the school of thinking that we should try and address Quebec’s main issues in order to put the separatists to bed rather than stake out a strong federalist territory to occupy only for election purposes. I come from that school too. I understand Liza’s situation.

One thing is for sure. Liza I hope this is not the last we see of you in this neverending drama that is politics in Quebec.

Vous ferez toujours partie de notre famille!

27 Commentaires:

Blogger Jason Cherniak a dit...

"Liza comes from the school of thinking that we should try and address Quebec’s main issues in order to put the separatists to bed rather than stake out a strong federalist territory to occupy only for election purposes."

I think what you miss is that there is a disagreement about what constitutes "Quebec’s main issues".

12/09/2006 1:16 p.m.  
Blogger Antonio a dit...

there are two options electorally for the Liberals to take in Quebec.

The Chretien strategy was to stake out a hardline position and become the choice of all federalists.

It worked well, because there was no opposition in the federalist camp. The return of the Tories, who even at Dion's highest numbers yet, linger with 18%, occupy a chunk of votes we wont see in a while.

Those of us who endorse enshrining Quebec's nationhood in the charter's preamble, and those of us who believe we need to address the fiscal imbalance are from the school of thought that says we need to get to the heart of Quebec's present fractuous relationship with Ottawa.

Only then can we begin to dismantle the Bloc. Dion's position will pay off so long as he keeps the Tories low enough to steal some Bloc seats. It will work well in Montreal, but in Quebec City, Eastern Quebec and the Saguenay, this 30% in the polls will not translate to any seats.

12/09/2006 1:54 p.m.  
Blogger Sinestra a dit...

Surely, Antonio, you are not surprised. The other sub-text here is that she will not be going for Lasalle-Emard - as rumoured - either.... Leaving room for....?

12/09/2006 1:55 p.m.  
Blogger calgarygrit a dit...

Isn't it also possible that "Quebec's main issues" are not neccesarily squeezing the most special powers out of Ottawa but things like the environment, afghanistan, health care, etc?

12/09/2006 2:19 p.m.  
Blogger Christopher Young a dit...

Calgarygrit : you wished so. Canvassing for the NDP in Rimouski or Degelis (take two seconds, look the map - yeah, it is that far), you realıze people actually seems to care more about frickin' Clarity Act than for environment, unfortunately. That shitty (and false) 'we are a badly treated minority' feeling ıs too present in (most our) our mind.

But I mean, you and Cherniak may be right; as me and Antonio may be hidden geniuses on how to win seats in Alberta...

12/09/2006 2:29 p.m.  
Blogger Sinestra a dit...

Hmmm. Interesting remarks. I guess Antonio speaks for all Quebecers. Antonio, as you well know most members of LPCQ don't agree with this approach. It's outdated and divisive. By offering up the types of bandaid solutions you're suggesting, there's plenty of room for new 'issues' regarding the 'failure of federalism' to emerge. I infinitely prefer a hard-lines take-no-prisoners Chretien approach.

12/09/2006 2:40 p.m.  
Blogger canuckistanian a dit...

disagree with her views on federalism, but she was certainly a firebrand defender of cultural rights at the UN. not to worry, she'll still be around in one capacity or another.

12/09/2006 2:41 p.m.  
Blogger Antonio a dit...


when did I say i spoke for all Quebecers. I specifically said there are two schools and I belong to one of them.

I only offer my opinion. Take it for what it's worth...

12/09/2006 2:43 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous a dit...

What kind of goofy comment is that? It's because Stephane Dion is the leader?

A native Quebecker is the leader so she's not going to run? Her candidate of choice didn't win, so she's not going to run?

Great renewal spirit there I tell ya.

Goes with those talking points that I keep hearing about a cerain leadership candidate "sticking around for the next leadership review."

The What Do I Know Grit

12/09/2006 2:44 p.m.  
Blogger Antonio a dit...

sow whatever doubt you want James, but most of the Ignatieff supporters have stayed and rallied to Dion's cause.

My views on how to win Quebec didnt change though, it would be disingenuous if they had to be honest...

12/09/2006 2:48 p.m.  
Blogger Sinestra a dit...

Actually, Antonio, I was referring more to the poster who seemingly campaigned for NDP in rural Quebec and seemingly suggested that Jason and CG knew about as much about Qc as you and he know about Ab. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

12/09/2006 3:08 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous a dit...

"Does this have to do with the election of Stephane Dion? No comment!"

I'm not sowing. I'm just commenting on your seed.

12/09/2006 3:10 p.m.  
Blogger Jason Cherniak a dit...

You are free to your views, Antonio. All I ask is that you give ONE example of when your philosophy has worked at a federal level.

Don't name Mulroney - he won because Turner was the other option.

12/09/2006 8:03 p.m.  
Blogger Antonio a dit...

During Chretien there was no Tory Option

I'll write a post about it Jason it's actually quite simple to explain.

12/09/2006 8:08 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous a dit...

Tous ensemble indeed.

12/09/2006 9:59 p.m.  
Blogger dollard_liberal a dit...


Let's take back Jeanne-Le Ber

12/10/2006 1:10 a.m.  
Blogger Justin Tetreault a dit...

It looks like a seat just opened up for Justin Trudeau.

12/10/2006 3:38 a.m.  
Blogger propatria a dit...

Im actually originally from verdun. Considering how people there still dress like its the 80's (joking), i think trudeau would go over big. Plus federalist candidates always have a bit of a head start because of the anglo enclave there.

That said, there is a THIRD option for liberals to take: you make it clear what the rules of the game are, AND you try for reconciliation. People can walk and chew gum at the same time. Dont try and put limits on what people can do, think outside the box.

12/10/2006 10:42 a.m.  
Blogger Edgewater Views a dit...

Liza did not identify with the consituents in her riding, Jeanne Leber. She would have better represented Outremont or Silery?

Perhaps the current option is preferable though.

12/10/2006 2:14 p.m.  
Blogger Antonio a dit...

Anybody but Iggy

we went over this, if you continue posting lies,

youll have to identify yourself or face having the posts erased.

these are the rules...tough

12/11/2006 1:05 a.m.  
Blogger Antonio a dit...

remove the ones you cannot prove

that simple anybody but iggy

or you could identify yourself

you know which one I am referring to.

12/11/2006 1:20 a.m.  
Blogger anybody but iggy a dit...

No - which one are you referring to? because I am happy to provide you with plenty of press clippings to support my statements.

12/11/2006 1:23 a.m.  
Blogger Antonio a dit...

send them by email at

I have them all saved, I will put all your garbage back up.

proof first liz...

12/11/2006 1:55 a.m.  
Blogger anybody but iggy a dit...

He he.
Liz does not write for this blog, Antonio.
Nor does Alexandra, or any of the other members you and your cohorts accuse.
Anyway, our identity is irrelevant, just sit back and focus on how to rescue your own career.

12/11/2006 2:19 a.m.  
Blogger WestmountLiberal a dit...

I worked with Liza the last campaign.
I think the election and subsequent loss was very difficult for Liza.
I hope she remains active in the Party but agree that it's best not to run again.

12/11/2006 9:28 a.m.  
Blogger Antonio a dit...


your identity continues to divide the Liberal Party.

Alex told me to block everything with your sign in name simply because it is so divisive.

I'll be honest, I am considering it.

12/11/2006 10:41 a.m.  
Blogger Down & Out in L A a dit...

I hope that she reconsiders.

There is still a lot of time left with an election six to ten moths away.

12/11/2006 1:34 p.m.  

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