WOW
I write this with Dumont in the lead...
I am confident we will make government
PQ in third...
Nation = bad?
fiscal imbalance solving = bad?
This is a wave of epic proportions...I will certianly leave Montreal for the next election and go take a look...
Charest will win his seat dont you worry!
Time to go back to watching Jean Lapierre looking actually shell-shocked!
I am confident we will make government
PQ in third...
Nation = bad?
fiscal imbalance solving = bad?
This is a wave of epic proportions...I will certianly leave Montreal for the next election and go take a look...
Charest will win his seat dont you worry!
Time to go back to watching Jean Lapierre looking actually shell-shocked!
par / by Anthony à / at 9:29 p.m.
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The strong result of the ADQ is definitely surprising. I am not unhappy about it though. I posted earlier on my blog about the concept of autonomy and what it means in the short-term.
In short: I think that Quebeckers want to talk about something else than langauge (class/religious) politics and face the real challenges facing the province, i.e. the national debt, a bloated civil service, accessible health care, international competitiveness etc.
I agree the PLQ will win. But does Charest win?
Well Antonio, maybe that will teach you that apeasement doesn't work.
"You had a choice between dishonour and war. You chose dishonour and you will have war."
W.S.Churchill
Charest is toast
(at least in provincial politics )
Maybe running for the Conservatives federally.
But is he tainted now ?
Dumont is a conservative
he loves! harper
appeasement just worked...pQ worst since Trudeau's first mandate...
It's not looking like Charest will hold on to his seat. At least the Libs still won, but a big defeat for them overall today.
Charest declared defeated at 10:21 p.m.
the two federalist parties in Quebec will put the PQ to under 40 seats, its worst performance in a generation...
Antonio ---
looks like your demonizing of us did the trick!
thanks!
I'll just quote Charest (not verbatim I'm afraid): "Can you get Mr Dumont to say he is FEDERALIST?"
Many will say that this proves that declaring Quebec a nation, that "solving the fiscal imbalance", etc. was the right thing to do. That isn't proven by this - this just proves that votes can be bought.
the ADQ is the conservative party of Quebec
Gilles Duceppe will be shitting his pants...
When I saw Jean Lapierre and L. Ian MacDonald pre-gloating yesterday about Charest's impending victory... I knew then he was in big trouble.
"the two federalist parties in Quebec will put the PQ to under 40 seats, its worst performance in a generation..."
The ADQ is not a federalist party. It is autonomist. What that means is not federalist or spearatist.
Toaday.
What that means in the future is anybodies guess, but it would be a stretch to say that the all or even most of the ADQ voters today are voting for federalism.
Behold the Quiet Counter-Revolution.
Antonio a dit...
the two federalist parties in Quebec will put the PQ to under 40 seats, its worst performance in a generation...
Two federalist parties.
Whatever. That'll be Harper'sline tomorrow, too. But it won't wash in Regina, in Caraquet, in Vancouver or in North Bay.
I count three nationalist paries of varying degree.
Vive la nation!
Who's doing the counting down there?
Swings of 800 votes are beyond belief and it still isn't over.
Someone had better check the math.
Kinsella:
For Dion, good news and bad. Bad: Liberal brand not so popular. Good: federalism beats the alternative.
For Harper, good news and bad, too. Bad: he wasn't able to help Charest, as much as he tried. Good: conservatism beats the alternative.
Wells:
"Federally: Why, precisely, does Gilles Duceppe want to lead the PQ, given the historic existential crisis it has now entered? And how does Stéphane Dion feel, knowing that 46 Quebec seats are now held by Liberals who agree with Stephen Harper on federalism and 42 Adéquistes who agree with him on everything else?"
"42 Adéquistes who agree with him on everything else?"
The ADQ and Harper sont d'accord on autonomisme, whatever that is?
It happens in Central America all the time !
Antonio said
"Dumont is a conservative
he loves! harper
appeasement just worked...pQ worst since Trudeau's first mandate... "
As others have pointed out, the old paradigm no longer applies. The public have lost interest in separation (not a vote for federalists).
Quebec is joining the rest of Canada in voting on the basis of specific issues.
And, Dumont is unlikely to be friendly to harper. He needs to be like Danny Williams in order to win.
Can harper build the ideological basis for a majority that embraces Quebec?
I predict that Quebec will confound Ottawa as it often does.
Dollard:
I understand that the BQ challenged specific polls including the advance polls and that may be the reason for the swift reversal.
It still seems incredible to have a 2,100 vote swing in a little more than one hour.
Those ballot boxes wouldn't have been placed near a photocopier, would they?
But I will give Antonio points for loyalty.
He did get two things right last night and one was Charest's win.
The results for Charest were not as good as we thought at the beginning of the night because the advance polls weren't counted. As we know, the Liberals always win what we call the "BVA". Charest had a strong organization therefore he probably got most of the old people to vote at the "BVA". He won.
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