January 9, 2007

Trudeaumania is Back…More Nomination Rumors Fly

Front Page of La Presse this morning has Justin Trudeau setting his sights on the riding of Outremont. Of course this is old news. The reaction has been quite interesting: an outright rejection of the young Trudeau everywhere from Quebec talk shows to Cyberpresse Forums.

The one pocket of support Justin enjoys is from the separatists, who believe they will do well should he be the candidate. (In all fairness, the Bloc said the same thing about Dion and their poll numbers still flounder in the mid 30s)

When asked for comment. Stephane Dion predictably and wisely dodged. Dion is no Trudeau federalist and has his own ideas for the riding, potentially offering it to Louise Arbour, who reportedly turned it down, and now the big rumor is Stephane Guilbault, president of Greenpeace Canada, will run in the riding.

We all know I support Brigitte Legault to run for the seat. A young, qualified woman who has actually earned her stripes in the party. I think Stephane Dion is left with no choice but to have an open nomination race for the seat, a coveted Montreal fortress riding made vulnerable by the Gomery Commission’s report.

Liza Frulla, it seems, will stay in the Liberal Party, contrary to the rumors I had written about earlier, potentially replacing Paul Martin in Lasalle, where Mme. Frulla sat as a provincial MNA.

An interesting race is also shaping up in Westmount as Mme. Robillard is pondering retirement after over two decades as a prominent Liberal voice in Quebec. The favorite there is riding president Brigitte Garceau, who is quite charming and a great person. Other contenders are astronaut Marc Garneau, local riding organizer and lawyer Carolina Gallo Richer Lafleche.

Back to the prophet’s son, if Trudeau Mania is still so popular here, prove it. You don’t get a seat just because of who your daddy is.


Justin, run in a nomination and let the grassroots in Quebec show you who your daddy is.

45 Commentaires:

Blogger EX-NDIP a dit...

Canada will forever pay an enormous price for Trudeau I . . . a Trudeau replay is as unlikely as Algore making a scientific/factual movie!!!

1/09/2007 4:48 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous a dit...

I have rarely seen such passionate devotion to a vision of federalism is that demonstrated by Antonio. Basically if one doesn't subscribe to your assymetric, dual nation, decentralist vision of the federation you will find some way to attack them won't you Antonio?

1/09/2007 5:02 p.m.  
Blogger Antonio a dit...

whoa...

I believe in a strong federal government...trade money for standards...i;ve been saying it forever.

Justin has done nothing for this party in Quebec other than being the spawn of Pierre Trudeau...sorry Kyle, you need more than that. That is not the renewal of the party Kennedy was speaking about for 10 months.

1/09/2007 5:25 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous a dit...

How do you think the issue of the environment will play out in the nomination process, if at all?

How important is a sustainable, green economy in Outremont?

1/09/2007 6:21 p.m.  
Blogger Antonio a dit...

this is my opinion, not that of the party,

but economic conditions will trump the environment every day of the week. Until a major mainstream party comes up with something tangible and possible, it will forever remain a pie-in-the-sky argumwnt to most people.

1/09/2007 7:42 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous a dit...

A young, qualified woman who has actually earned her stripes in the party.

With all due respect Antonio you supported Ignatieff during the leadership race.

He's a great guy and the Liberals are lucky to have him but many would have argued he didn't earn his stripes within the Liberal party.

1/10/2007 12:25 a.m.  
Blogger Alex Plante a dit...

Michael fought an election and was elected as a Liberal MP. Can't say that much about some other candidates.

1/10/2007 12:50 a.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous a dit...

WHy do you think Louise Arbour turned down the seat?

1/10/2007 1:01 a.m.  
Blogger Dan McKenzie a dit...

Cause Arbour's got a real nice job already I'd fathom.

1/10/2007 1:04 a.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous a dit...

I should hope that Justin gets that chance to fight an election as well.

I agree, everyone should face a nomination process, but I don't think it's really appropriate for someone to say all this talk about Trudeau running for the Liberals makes them "puke".

When Justin visited London, Ontario during the by-election the conservative London Free Press (Sun Media) had a massive front page photo of him with the headline "Justin Time".

There's excitement about this guy. Let him prove what he has to say and what he stands for before using the lazy "daddy's boy" argument.

1/10/2007 7:40 a.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous a dit...

On the other hand he is largely untested.

And many people across the country seem to feel that his brother Alexandre would make a better representative, more in the mold of his father.

Justin exhibits many of the traits of his mother, and I don't mean that in an unkind way.

He seems to have an eye for publicity and an eye for the camera.

He also seems to have strong appeal to female voters in English Canada.

Someone on another blog suggested he should stay in B.C. where he has lived and run there. He may have a better chance.

And, if I am not mistaken, Margaret's family, the Sinclairs, are from B.C. so he does have roots there too.

So many options in this big country of ours !

1/10/2007 9:21 a.m.  
Blogger Antonio a dit...

what makes me puke darren is the onstant obsession people have with this man simply because of who his father was.

Do I think Chelsea Clinton will make a great politician because of what Bill did?

Sounds ridiculous don't it?

(I know people will make the JFK Jr. argument, sadly we never found out about how good he would have been)

1/10/2007 10:36 a.m.  
Blogger Antonio a dit...

Yes Darren, and if we had appointed Ignateiff leader without a fair nomination process, it might have peeved a few people too n'est ce pas?

1/10/2007 10:40 a.m.  
Blogger s.b. a dit...

Justins pushing for this seat is disturbing in many ways. Not only is he blatently going against the policy and promise to put more women in Parliament by basically demanding a safe seat, he is challenguing the leader, Dion.

This seat absolutely does not have to be open. The leader has the perogative to nominate whomever he wants. I believe there are far more qualified and appropriate female candidates than Brigitte, but he's better than Justin.

Everyone knows Dion was saving this seat and Justin is challenging him. We don't need this right now, from some wanna with a famous daddy who isn't interested in ensuring therre are more women in Parliament.

Gerrards candidacy gets him ONE free seat not TWO! I urge all Liberals to e-mail Dion and tell him that it is totally unacceptable to give men safe seats, except Rae and Kennmedy. Geex with the likes of garneau Trudeau etc etc there wont be any nominations left for women at all.

There have been men who feel entitled to power since the beginning of time basedon who their daddy is. Its time we and DION stood up and said NO! There are hundreds of more qualifed and competent women than Justin.

This was part of the platform Dion was elected leader on and we need to hold him to it. We don't live in England where you get a inherited seat in the house of Lords or the US that is obsesse dwith hereditey dynasties.

We are Canadian, let the best woman run in this seat. If Trudeau wants a riding give him one he'll have to fight for, which we might not win without his celebrity and where he'll have to prove he's worth it. Not a safe seat!!!

1/10/2007 11:44 a.m.  
Blogger s.b. a dit...

Sorry Brigitte is a she of course

1/10/2007 11:45 a.m.  
Blogger WestmountLiberal a dit...

Hi Antonio - I spoke associates of Stephane Guilbault. He has been approached to run for the PQ in the upcoming Quebec Provincial election.
You're also missing a couple of names for Westmount which I mentionned on my blog. Lucienne's body's not even cold yet the successors are lining up!

1/10/2007 11:49 a.m.  
Blogger WestmountLiberal a dit...

The Star is also reporting that Guilbault has been approached by LPQ.
Damn, this guy is popular!
I wonder if he'll get a Cure Gravel hairdo and glasses for the show?

1/10/2007 11:56 a.m.  
Blogger Antonio a dit...

Shoshana, why not have an open nomination?

The riding is close enough as it is, we hardly need a parachute fiasco tainting the person who would be nominated.

1/10/2007 12:19 p.m.  
Blogger s.b. a dit...

It just upsets me more and more that Trudeau thinks he can have Outrement. My family has been from Outrement since before the turn of the 19th/20th Century. It is not a priviledged riding. It is a working class minority immigrant riding and Trudeau has no business asking for it. Jews and other immigrant who lived there struggled to make ends meet while building this city, province and country.

A priviledged, non-immigrant white man should not be given this riding. I will do everything in my power to oppose it.

1/10/2007 12:41 p.m.  
Blogger s.b. a dit...

You know why not Antonio because priviledged white men tend to win open nominations and be given closed nominations for that matter aka Ignatieff, Dion, Garneau, Dryden.

Neutral is not equal.

1/10/2007 12:43 p.m.  
Blogger Alex Plante a dit...

Outremont is not only Jewish Shoshana. Outremont has always been home of the Montreal francophone bourgeoisie. It's also the riding of the biggest french university in North America.

There are also some heavily Jewish neighborhoods in the riding. It is very diverse.

I want an open nomination in Outremont. Brigitte will smack everyone. Brigitte has earned her stripes in the party. We not only need the best woman, we need the best candidate, no matter gender, age or ethnic origin. We need the best candidates throughout the country. That's how you win elections. Brigitte will have no problem facing an open nomination. She said it herself : "Bring it on".

Alex

1/10/2007 1:37 p.m.  
Blogger cat mutant a dit...

Shoshana,

obviously, you don't know much about Outremont.

Outremont is a very diverse riding with many people from different ethnicites. There is a Jewish minority, but also French population, growing South Asia population, etc.

Need I remind you, we are all Canadians, no matter our last name, color of our skin, gender, or religious beliefs. Hence, any white male francophone has just as much right to run in Outremont as a black jewish woman (yes Shoshana, there are African Jews).

Canadians run on principle, not on their color, religion, or whether they have a penis or not.

1/10/2007 2:53 p.m.  
Blogger andrewridgeley a dit...

Is anyone still not alarmed by Brigitte's opportunistic tendencies in the past? I think she'll be great in ten years, but I'm not supporting anyone who did what she did with Stronach until they've proved they've smartened up. I want people whose hearts are in the party, not their chequebooks. Give Brigitte ten years and any open safe seat in the region is hers.

And grow up. Justin isn't his father. He's never pretended to be. I don't think he's the right candidate for Outremont, but the attacks against the man here are shallow.

1/10/2007 3:04 p.m.  
Blogger big gay al's big gay liberal sanctuary a dit...

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1/10/2007 3:17 p.m.  
Blogger s.b. a dit...

I believe I said immigrant did any of you read my comment or just make that up.

1/10/2007 4:05 p.m.  
Blogger s.b. a dit...

Jewish was used in the past tense with and other immigrants. Why don't you guys actually read things before you jump all over them, right there arte some anti-semetic tendencies in certain Quebec Liberals forgot about that. This is of course one of the reasons Brigitt would not be acceptable as a candidate in this riding, given her attendance at a certain pro terrorist rally in the summer with certain other individuals.


The main concern here is this is a saved safe riding for the leader to appoint someone who will probably be in his cabinet. Everyone knows that. Justin vying for this riding is challenging the leader and we don't need that right now, or any time in fact. He would just be a divisve media circus and he should be strongly discouraged from running. There aremore than enough competent woman for us to fill nominations and seats.


Big gay al feel free to ignore my comments please, everyone else's as well.

1/10/2007 4:11 p.m.  
Blogger s.b. a dit...

Yeah cat mutant I'm pretty sure there weren't many South Asians in outrement at the begininng of the 20th century but I could be wrong. French people sure but working class French people that my great grandfather and grandfather fought with to bring workers rights to Quebec. Of course there are other immigrant communities there, that why I said other immigrants. But this riding still doesn't need some golden boy with no clue representing it.

1/10/2007 4:25 p.m.  
Blogger big gay al's big gay liberal sanctuary a dit...

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1/10/2007 6:59 p.m.  
Blogger cat mutant a dit...

Shoshana

That's right, throw the anti-semitism card... is it possible that you always have to show yourself as the victim of some far-flunged conspiracy?

Anti-semitism exists throughout Canada, and is not more prevalent in Quebec then elsewhere. I would say bigotry is pretty widespread, whether there is someone in Montreal who sprays anti-semetic grafitti or you in Guelph who make derogatory comments about Italo-Canadians, which I may point out, your "exalted" self has never apologized to Antonio or other Italo-Canadians.

For those who don't recall, Shoshana Berman asked Antonio how many Jews is grandfather killed, and called Antonio a fascist before deleted her comment from this blog after much outcry. However, a record was saved.

1/10/2007 8:32 p.m.  
Blogger Manitoba Liberal a dit...

Brigitte's little Belinda flirtation back in the spring showed her desire to follow the money, more than principles.

Surely Quebec can come up with someone better.

1/10/2007 8:53 p.m.  
Blogger s.b. a dit...

I asked Antonio what his grnadfather did during the second world war in Italy. Which was a very valid question to the discussion given Anonio's criticism of the formation of the state of Israel. I can't think it is anything other than antisemetism when you accuse me of doing something wrong when I say that my Jewish family has been from Outrement since the beginning fo the 20th century, with other workers and immigrants.

The only reason someone could take issue with that and jump all over it without any justification is anti-semetism. Well my family is Jewish and they are from Outrement for a long long time and they helped build workers rights, with Quebequois and women's rights, given that it was the ILGWU that my grandfather helped found in Montreal. If you don't know what that is look it up.

1/10/2007 8:57 p.m.  
Blogger s.b. a dit...

Cat mutant if you have a record of said coments with the URL enlighten us or shut up with your lies because you can't defend your own comments. The only time I have ever errased a comment is for spelling errors or corrections and then posted it again immediately.

1/10/2007 9:00 p.m.  
Blogger Antonio a dit...

Oh will people stop it with the Belinda stuff...

Brigitee never took money from Stronach, as I had said REPEATEDLY on this site.

She works for Ms. Stronach now, which should not disqualify her in any way.

1/10/2007 9:07 p.m.  
Blogger Antonio a dit...

Shoshana I remember what you said about my grandparents.

That is when I began ignoring what you say. I only read your comments to delete them if you accuse anyone of any illegal activity.

What you said about my ancestors was not only racist, but extremely insensitive. I still await an apology.

1/10/2007 9:09 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous a dit...

I can't believe the tone of the discussion here.

Opinions are just that.

We aren't the governing party.

Discouraging and ridiculous . . . . . . .

Who cares ?

(sigh)

1/10/2007 9:27 p.m.  
Blogger cat mutant a dit...

Shoshana,

I didn't make any anti-semitic comments. If I did, please highlight them, rather than make more bogus, false, and libel accusations. Never did I question Quebec's Jewish community's important contribution to Montreal and Quebec. Your accusations are libel.

For someone who makes anti-Italian remarks, you sure are quick to accuse others of prejudice when their are no facts to support it.

Like I said, your accusations that I'm anti-semitic are libel. Remove them or I'll be forced to take further action. (It's ok, I'm not expecting an apology, considering you've never apologized to Antonio for calling him a fascist and asking him how many Jews his grandfather killed).

1/10/2007 9:42 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous a dit...

Ignatieff is an interesting politician. Regardless of the controversy, he'll be remembered for years.

1/10/2007 11:00 p.m.  
Blogger James Bowie a dit...

Antonio, do me a favour and delete our Riccio blog. He's got his own site now.

Thanks.

I'd do it myself, but you have admin powers, and I don't.

1/11/2007 12:33 a.m.  
Blogger Antonio a dit...

how the hell did i have admin powers for that?

weird

ill do it now

1/11/2007 12:43 a.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous a dit...

Although I admit that I don't know the vagaries of the Outremont riding, I think Justin would make a good candidate. This crap about him having no substance besides the fact that he is PET's son is just that...crap. He has stood on his own two feet for a long time now. Running the Katimivik program qualifies him as much as the next guy.

That said, I wouldn't expect Justin would have any issue with a contested nomination. Let the chips fall where they may.

1/11/2007 1:07 a.m.  
Blogger Sinestra a dit...

re: Outremont.

This is as ethnically diverse urban riding - whoever on the long list of people who want this riding eventually gets it will not only have to be able to effectively communicate with the various cultural communities, but they will be inheriting a very active riding association. Regardless of WHO runs in Outremont it should be someone who has the approval of the riding association. Whoever it will be should have already begun engaging in rifding outreach. May the b est PERSON win.

Re: the anti-Italian comments aimed at Antonio's family. Though they may have been deleted, many of us still remember what was written very well. Sutre Antonio has written a lot of weird and - at times - wankerish things. He doesn't deserve to be attacked on his ethnicity an df blamed for Mussolini's crimes. There was and is no excuse.

1/11/2007 9:03 a.m.  
Blogger Quebec Liberal a dit...

CAT MUTANT:

You said: Anti-semitism exists throughout Canada, and is not more prevalent in Quebec then elsewhere.

The imperica evidence shows otherwise. The League for Human Rights has undertaken a yearly Audit of incidents across Canada. In the vast majorities of those Audits, Quebec ranks first in Anti-semitic incidents.

1/11/2007 9:05 a.m.  
Blogger cat mutant a dit...

Quebec Liberal,

I am not aware of the numbers, if that is the case, then I stand corrected. But my point was that acts of prejudice take place throughout Canada.


Shoshana,

I don't know how any of us can really take your comments seriously anymore at this point. You've made racist comments towards Antonio and never apologized, or even acknowledge that what you did is WRONG.

I am still waiting for you to remove your libelious comments, or at least apologize for calling me anti-semtitic. I didn't make any anti-semitic comments. If I did, please highlight them, rather than make more bogus, false, and libel accusations. Never did I question Quebec's Jewish community's important contribution to Montreal and Quebec. Your accusations that I'm anti-semitic are libel. Remove them or I'll be forced to take further action.

1/11/2007 9:26 a.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous a dit...

It's all so petty and pathetic and does not bode well for the future.

The divisiveness is something we have all seen before and blogs perhaps add to rather than resolve the problem.

Everyone needs to visit the CBC archives starting with the Liberal leadership convention of 1990.

The Liberal M.P. from Outrement wasn't happy with the outcome for reasons similar to those expressed here.

Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

1/11/2007 10:26 a.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous a dit...

An awesome blog, through and through. Talking about J.Trudeau as the PM in waiting is like talking about the teller at McDonald's as the next CEO. Maybe the potential is there somewhere, but I haven't seen it. The qualifications are certainly lacking...

1/11/2007 1:36 p.m.  

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