March 10, 2007

Cherniak’s definition of Anti-Semitism Includes…Cherniak

Before I begin, I would like to re-iterate that all humans are equal and they all have equal capacity.

Even in my ranting about Israel last summer, I never once discriminated against Jews, just against a government and its decisions.

Well, isn’t it ironic…follow the path.

“I think the best definition of "anti-Semitism" is to call it intellectual discrimination against Jews.”

“as a Jew, I have a better understanding of anti-Semitism than others.”

Oh really Jason, does being Jewish give you some secret insight that myself or catnip or other bloggers simply don’t have? Is there a decoder ring somewhere?

Sounds like intellectual discrimination against Jews to me (positive but I don’t see a distinction, people are equal) similar to saying Jews control the world, which they don’t. Americans control the world. (Crap now I’m Anti-American)

Now no matter what Jason says about Israel in the next 50 years, we can take this discriminatory statement and throw it in his face to discredit him. What’s good for Chomsky is certainly adequate for Cherniak.

Maybe Anti-non-Semite would be more appropriate but I still think discrimination is wrong. Jason owes all us other folk with no decoder ring an apology…I’m sure Jason has no hatred for all us non-jews, or is an active promoter of anti-non-Jewish hatred--he just tends to "perceive an entire 'race' of people in a certain way”

Robert McClelland got kicked from Progessive Bloggers for discriminatory statements …I think Prog Blog should have another vote coming…

14 Commentaires:

Blogger andrewridgeley a dit...

Cue flamewar.

And remember Godwin's law: "As a thread grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one." (SB, we're looking at you)

3/10/2007 10:06 a.m.  
Blogger Quebec Liberal a dit...

Convoluted logic Antonio. Leave it alone. You seem preoccupied with picking fights with Cherniak.

It is getting tiresome.

3/10/2007 10:42 a.m.  
Blogger Antonio a dit...

there is a fair amount of sarcasm involved in this post...

quebec Liberal, most people see it,

discrimination against jews bad...

then Cherniak discriminates against all non-Jews...

I cynically await a reaction from Prog Blog...

3/10/2007 10:59 a.m.  
Blogger audacious a dit...

fuddle duddle, sarcasm or wit ... good post!

3/10/2007 12:49 p.m.  
Blogger quitomaggi a dit...

Do you have a better understanding of what constitutes homophobia?

3/10/2007 1:52 p.m.  
Blogger Antonio a dit...

The only homophobia I have been a victim of is from my own family mostly as well as my church and parts of my community.

However, I would admit freely there are some straight people out there who know a hell of a lot more on homophobia than I do.

I hardly consider myself an expert on the subject.

3/10/2007 2:50 p.m.  
Blogger canuckistanian a dit...

let me get this straight: a post by fuddle duddle that i agree with??? strange weirdness indeed ;-).

3/10/2007 5:46 p.m.  
Blogger cat mutant a dit...

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3/11/2007 12:05 a.m.  
Blogger cat mutant a dit...

Good post Antonio

Jason Cherniak is ALWAYS good for a laugh.

More surprisingly, Shoshana Berman hasn't shown up yet and called you an anti-semite.

3/11/2007 12:06 a.m.  
Blogger Jason Cherniak a dit...

Don't you think you have a better understanding of what it means to live as a gay man? Doesn't that give you some insight into homophobia that I might not have?

Sometimes you are a complete moron.

3/12/2007 12:31 a.m.  
Blogger andrewridgeley a dit...

Knowing what it is like to be subject to discrimination is completely different from knowing the rationale (or lack thereof) behind a religious, ethnic, linguistic, or sexual hatred, Jason.

You might better understand what it feels to be subject to anti-semitism than non-Jews, but it doesn't mean you are better equipped to understand the hatred of anti-semites--- that is something we all have to learn to tackle, together.

3/12/2007 2:58 a.m.  
Blogger s.b. a dit...

Antonio, I always find it ironic and quite sad when men think they can decide what is sexist, or white people think they can decide is racist and this happens all the time. You see where I am going here. You were very antisemetic last summer. Think about it. Your actions, your words. Your attendance at and defence of a rally entitled "anti Israel" which was organized and attended by people who want nothing less to anhililate all Jews. You may understand if you place in context. If I attended and defended an "anti-homosexual" rally aka homosexuals shouldn't exist would I be homophobic in doing so? Of course Antonio. Also when you keep bringing it up its kind of weird. Learn from it and let it go.

3/12/2007 11:27 a.m.  
Blogger canuckistanian a dit...

Cherniak:

"Don't you think you have a better understanding of what it means to live as a gay man? Doesn't that give you some insight into homophobia that I might not have?"

this is a hotly contested argument in the social sciences. critical theorists assert that the "oppressed" have the best view from which to view reality due to their experience of being subjected to oppression. however, others argue that such claims to epistemic privilege are inherently suspect, and that the "lived experiences" of the oppressed remain subjectively particularistic and, as such, cannot be said to hold a monopoly on the truth of the human condition.

thus, while a jewish person will have an extremely important perpsective to offer on the subject of anti-semitism; a claim that 'only' a jewish person or that a jewish person understands the issue better than a non-jewish person is not only fallacious, but is an untenable attempt to monopolize reality.

indeed, there are many scholars who will have a better understanding of anti-semitism than a jewish person due to their years of study of the concept. accordingly, the intense emotional aspect of the concept to a jewish person will render the notion of detached neutrality suspect.

in conclusion, the lived experiences of jewsish persons in contributing to the body of knowledge of anti-semitism cannot be diminished. but claims to epistemic privilege must be opposed, as they impede the search for the realities of the human condition.

3/12/2007 3:04 p.m.  
Blogger canuckistanian a dit...

sb said:

"Antonio, I always find it ironic and quite sad when men think they can decide what is sexist, or white people think they can decide is racist"

uh huh, and that isn't at all sexist and racist ;-)??? now that 'is' ironic.

3/12/2007 3:09 p.m.  

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