April 13, 2007

Why Have Two Parties?

A Statement from Dion on the Green Party site

A Statement from May on the Liberal Party site

Elizabeth May could have been our star candidate in Central Nova

Or we could throw away any credibility we had left.

Our choice.

It’s not easy to make these kind of priorities

12 Commentaires:

Blogger PhillyC a dit...

May would not have run as a Liberal. Period.

4/13/2007 2:34 PM  
Blogger lance a dit...

She is now.

4/13/2007 3:13 PM  
Blogger Demiurge a dit...

C'mon, credit where credit is due. The inside job is a far subtler and more effective way to murder the GP.

4/13/2007 3:59 PM  
Blogger JimTan a dit...

Guys,

This is an important part of the statement on the Green Party site.

"We recognize that a government in which Stéphane Dion served as Prime Minister could work well with a Green Caucus of MPs, led by Elizabeth May, committed to action on climate. On many issues, we would have policy disagreements; on others cooperation would be possible. No matter what the issue, we recognize that, although opponents in the political sphere, we are committed to doing politics differently. That means open and transparent, fair-minded communication. Another issue where we believe progress could be made is in the potential for electoral reform."

4/13/2007 5:36 PM  
Blogger Demiurge a dit...

Dion should push for electoral reform, since it looks like we are going to have minority governments for a while, we might as well have representative ones. It would make minority governments more stable since there would be less incentive for rolling the dice and trying to get a majority with a mere 40% of the vote.

4/13/2007 7:27 PM  
Blogger Mark a dit...

At least she's not a separatist.

4/13/2007 9:58 PM  
Blogger Werner Patels a dit...

Astute observation, as always. Yes, for all intents and purposes, May is now a Liberal candidate, and the Green Party's website is now an official Liberal Party website (if the leader of another party gets to make announcements there, the site becomes official property of such party).

I can't wait for the first statement by the Rt. Hon. Stephen Harper on the website of the Liberal Party -- or a statement by Jack Layton, perhaps.

Actually, why is Jack Layton's press release about the "Dion-May backroom deal" not posted to the Liberal Party website? That would make about as much sense as Dion addressing the Green Party members through their website.

Next thing you'll know, Harper will be named honorary party leader of the NDP -- in the current political climate, anything goes.

4/13/2007 11:04 PM  
Blogger burlivespipe a dit...

When you've got Werner endorsing your remarks you might as well join the dark side. Looking forward to one of those 'full moon' positive statements on Dion from you...

4/14/2007 12:22 AM  
Blogger Eugene Forsey Liberal a dit...

Even by Fuddle's standards, this time he's especially full of Duddle. Right after May became leader he proposed that Liberals vote for her so she could get into the House. Quote (and note Fuddle's typically snide dismissal of of sitting Liberal MP Roger Cuzner): "Demiurge a dit...Whatever, I'm sure Antonio wants to see May in so badly that he is sticking to his guns and is calling for progressive Liberals to vote for her in Cape Breton. Antonio a dit...I do. Any woman who says the Liberal Budget in 2005 was the Greenest in Canadian history is someone
I can work with. I'm sure we can keep Roger Cuzner somewhat occupied. Besides, la rumor mill tells me its Dingwall's old seat. Yay LIBERAL NOSTALGIA!"
http://fuddle-duddle.blogspot.com/2006/08/may-day-may-day.html

Gee, I wonder why, when Fuddle proposes a red-green coalition, it's right, but when Dion does it, it's wrong. Why Fuddle uses Con attack lines to attack his own leader? Could it be that Fuddle is:
a) Not Very Smart?
b) A Dick?
c) Against "Tous ensemble"?
d) A Bad Loser & A Bad Liberal?
e) All of the Above?

Answer: e.

The complete text of Fuddle's post is below. I'm sure M. Dion wouldn't
mind giving him credit for the idea.

27 août 2006
MAY DAY MAY DAY
The Green Party has elected a charismatic leader with more credibility on the environment than the Liberals and the NDP put together.

We have to get Elizabeth May elected into the House of Commons. The Green Party has always got the short end of the Canadian political
stick because it is not recognized by the Mainstream Media as a
credible alternative to the four other parties.

In terms of getting results for the environment, the Green Party could
do much more than the NDP, hell, they are the experts. I don't really like one issue parties all that much, but given the Liberal track record on the environment, I think our party could use a swift kick in the ass on the environment.

Elizabeth May will get results for everyone if we just give her a
chance. Her tireless work in the pro-environment lobby has given her
the expertise. There is only one riding smart enough to accomplish the job, smart enough to understand how important it is for the Canadian
political discourse to elect Canada's first Green Party member.

Ottawa Centre, currently held by the NDP, is a riding filled with two extremes, hill staffers, and people who cant stand hill staffers. Their spirit helped elect Ed Broadbent when others thought it was impossible to defeat Richard Mahoney (cough!) Nobody will cry over the loss of Paul Dewar, and the green voters, about 5% of the voting population will finally get their voice into Parliament. I have to ask all NDP voters in the riding to park their vote with the Greens in that riding, just this once.

par / by Antonio à / at 15:44
3 Commentaires:

Christopher Young a dit...

Hum, Antonio, she just announced she would run in Cape-Breton.

And before running in Ottawa Centre, I think a Vancouver seat
would be easier for her to win.

And, anyway, Canada's Green Party isn't that green : Both Sierra
Club and Greenpeace gave us better environnmental scores than the
greens.

Still, it can only get better with May instead of Harris.
8/28/2006 8:48 AM

Demiurge a dit...

Whatever, I'm sure Antonio wants to see May in so badly that he is
sticking to his guns and is calling for progressive Liberals to vote
for her in Cape Breton.
8/29/2006 1:45 AM

Antonio a dit...

I do

Any woman who says the Liberal Budget in 2005 was the Greenest in
Canadian history is someone I can work with.

I'm sure we can keep Roger Cuzner somewhat occupied.

Besides, la rumor mill tells me its Dingwall's old seat. Yay
LIBERAL NOSTALGIA!

8/30/2006 3:17 AM

4/14/2007 1:31 AM  
Blogger Allan MacDonald a dit...

I'm new to reading this blog, but let me give you an "insider's" perspective on this (I live in North Nova).

There is no way that Peter MacKay will be beaten if more than one person runs against him. It's that simple. Except for the town of Antigonish, you could pain a stick of wood blue and give it the nomination, and it would win the riding for the Tories with a comfortable lead.

This is the riding, you'll remember, which elected Brian Mulroney for the first time. This is the riding that's been Tory (except for '93) since Confederation. A Liberal will not win here, no matter what. It's that simple.

However, given the betrayal of Nova Scotia by the CPC in the budget, AND the continuous losses of local boys in Afghanistan, AND a recent surge in NDP support, a united Left candidate might just be able to squeak by.

Which is a bigger problem for Canada - an environmentalist with whom our party can work, or a conservative idealogue who has proven that he will do anything to further his own career, including betraying his party (the old PC), his province, while he snuggles with Condi Rice?

In this case, the Greens are the lesser of two evils. Sometimes you have to be pragmatic about this kind of thing and put COUNTRY before PARTY.

4/14/2007 9:40 AM  
Blogger petroom a dit...

Hah, Fuddle Duddle, you hypocrite.

http://fuddle-duddle.blogspot.com/2006/08/may-day-may-day.html

Not surprisingly, you were more eloquent back in 2006. Now you sound like a Tory/NDP attack dog.

4/14/2007 10:52 AM  
Blogger JimTan a dit...

Thank You Allan mcDonald

Applause! Applause!

4/14/2007 12:09 PM  

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